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  1. The Unite the Rally right is a Neo-Nazi, KKK, white-supremacist rally to suppress everyone other than the racist, Christian-based cult-right. Heather Hayer and Harris are victims of terrorist attacks by this cult. These terrorists are at the same level as al-Qaida and ISIS. Anyone who claims this to be hyperbole is delusional.

    1. Dark Qiviut

      Dark Qiviut

      *Unite the Right rally

    2. Libra

      Libra

      Dark, why do you hate me?

  2. The more I think about Fame, its plot, and implications, the lower the ranking.

    1. King Clark

      King Clark

      Where do you have it in terms of "worst episodes of the show" at the moment?

    2. Dark Qiviut

      Dark Qiviut

      Had it at #8. Now at maybe #5 or #4.

  3. *Finally* done a few hours ago. This episode was really difficult to sit through.

    Strengths:

    1. Starlight. Easily the best part. She was an active, inclusive part of the cast. Her anger in response to Rarity and FS being bullied are the episode's best moments.
    2. Coconut Cream and Toola Roola are really good.
    3. "We're a Work in Progress's" melody is really good.

    Weaknesses:

    1. A lot of the dialogue is really terrible.
    2. Most of the jokes don't work, because the episode takes the conflict really seriously, have no surprise in them, make little sense, have a very cruel overtone, and/or are very dated.
    3. The tone is really, really cruel and cynical, a complete contradiction to the show's welcoming, uplifting, proactive, and up-shooting atmosphere, setting, and morale. If I wanna watch something this cold, unwelcoming, and cynical, I'll watch another show. FIM has its own goals. Rarity getting bashed behind her back, Pinkie being laughed at, and Fluttershy being ganged up on down were really disturbing. And, no, not Return of Harmony, Lesson Zero, or Cutie Map types of disturbing; that dark humor made sense. The content was brooding and unwelcoming, eclipsing Putting Your Hoof Down, Ponyville Confidential, and 28 Pranks Later.
    4. The episode doesn't isolate valid critiques from the abuse. Both of them are mushed together.

      The episode also takes very valid criticism and replies to it very forcefully or defensively, like Fluttershy's slow and lost growth midway in the series. Fans (including big Fluttershy fans, myself included) criticized Fluttershy, because we know they can write her better. (We're seeing this now with AJ and her flanderization.) Ironically, whether they want to admit it or not, the writers used that criticism to improve her personality and show growth. The past three seasons are among her best of the series. Even though he wasn't in the episode, Spike wouldn't have his best season last year had the fanbase not hammer them for his poor treatment for so long.
    5. The episode uses common talking points as checklists regardless of contextual, story-centric sense. Some of the talking points died during seasons four and five.
    6. Every single adult and almost all of the fillies are quarter-dimensional caricatures. Stereotypes confined within fandoms, in particular the brony fandom. The fact that every single adult is so petulant on both the positive and negative hurts the episode's themes, messages, and reinforces awful geek-centric stereotypes.

      Many of the characters representing these stereotypes are established ponies from Ponyville and Canterlot dating back to the pilot, and many of them (like Bon Bon, Lyra, Amethyst, Lemon Hearts) have canonical personalities courtesy of episodes like Slice of Life and Amending Fences. The RM6 have been Equestrian celebrities dating back to the pilot, the CMCs from Twilight Time temporarily and Lost Mark permanently. This disregard of continuity is some of the worst this series.
    7. "We're a Work in Progress's" lyrics make absolutely no sense.

      Each retort is an attempt to rebuttal against people who dislike members of the RM6 and some of the poor writing that caused them to either take two steps back (everyone in Rainbow Falls) or make them unlikeable (Pinkie from a good chunk of season 4).

      The song (and by extension, the "we're not flawless" moral) is a loaded statement. Everyone knows the characters are flawed. Everyone knows that their combination of both strength and weaknesses makes the characters appealing, relatable, and memorable. Sometimes, the characters make really terrible mistakes, but what makes them work or not is whether these mistakes make any sense or not. Sometimes the showrunners make sloppy, careless, or lazy mistakes, and people criticize the execution of the characters and story, because they love the show and know the writers can do much better, hope they learn from their mistakes, and hope these mistakes don't happen again. The "It's flawed" excuse is very similar to the "It's a kids' show" strawman. Flawed characters don't make up for bad characterization, bad worldbuilding, or bad writing overall.
    8. The "parody" is broken. None of the characters exist in real life, yet are within the canon. OTOH, every antagonist doesn't see the characters as real, but as fictional characters or toys. The conflict doesn't provide equal weight (it's all "I'm right, you're wrong!"), reduces the antagonists to straw characters, and doesn't treat any of the antagonists like real ponies or ponies capable of providing a change of heart. Thank the dialogue between the reporter and Twilight for causing this whole premise to completely fall apart.
    9. The final moral is very clunkily written. There's no clarity in what they're trying to say.

    If there's more, I'll add it. (Anyone with more can add it in the comments.) And, yes, a more thorough review will be coming.

    Originally, I skipped it, since I had a hunch it'll be bad. I was wrong. This turned out to be much worse than I expected.

    Fame and Misfortune is the worst episode of S7 and one of the worst of the whole series. I don't know what the hell happened here. I don't know how many times this episode was ghost-written. What I do know is Larson wasn't a fan of it, because many of the ideas weren't his (even disassociated himself from it), and Big Jim was unaware of the progress. Whatever the case is, somebody went rogue and thought it was a good idea to publish a story that was nothing short of a "Take That!" to the audience.

    "It's a kids' show. You're taking it too seriously!"

    Don't BS me!

    This show is intended to be watched and beloved by multiple groups of people. It takes no prejudice to who's watching. When it does, it's among the worst. This level of prejudice existing here paints every badly-behaved fan (particularly adult ones) with a broad brush. There's no place to treat real people and groups of real people like stereotypes in any show, especially one with intent to educate to children. The fact that we're teaching kids that (ageist) stereotypes are A-OK in entertainment makes me take it very seriously.

    This episode is lazy, dishonest, petty, and intellectually offensive. A really shameful display of immaturity on the show's behalf. Fame's story is pandering to lowest common denominator. That people, including kids, will eat shit up as long as it tastes good. This level of quality is unacceptable, especially in a series as good as this. The fact that the worst episodes prior to this — Hard to Say Anything, Honest Apple — weren't close to being this bad and Perfect Pear was the episode prior to this one make it doubly disappointing and disturbing.


    Right now, this episode qualifies for Mr. Enter's animated atrocity notebook, along with One Bad Apple, Bridle Gossip, Newbie Dash, Dragon Quest, The Crystal Empire, Rainbow Falls, and 28 Pranks Later (from worst to least worst AA). Taking notes from his scorecard (score of 0-100, 0-10 per category), here's what I have:

    1. Cringe-inducing audio: 2/10. The terrible dialogue, stuck-up-sounding antagonists, and line near the climax that broke the story.
       
    2. Cringe-inducing visuals: 3/10. Rarity's face, AJ's rotten apple in the journal, both antagonistic sides fighting each other.
       
    3. Lackluster writing: 7/10. Every single talking point and response executed without any care for cohesion, forced dialogue, every (adult) antagonist is a cookie-cutter and unpleasant jerk, and disregard for writing a conflict that makes sense for the sake of a lazy "parody."
       
    4. Annoyance: 0/10.
       
    5. Disturbing content (unintentional and/or out of place for the show): 1/10. Unpleasant setting and premise designed to attack the audience.
       
    6. Unnecessary cruelty: 7/10. The background ponies mock, bash, laugh at, and abuse the RM6, AJ's "family" intrudes on her property, characters becoming miserable out of plot convenience.
       
    7. Rancid morals: 3/10. The non sequitur moral sung and encouragement of stereotypes towards groups of people.
       
    8. Low production values: 0/10.
       
    9. Unfortunate implications: 6/10. Established characters from The Smile Song mock and laugh at Pinkie Pie (suggesting that their appreciation for her's a façade), transphobic implications from the mare with the glass-of-water cutie mark and "masculine" voice, the episode's supposed to be an allegedly lighthearted parody rather than an attack on the audience.
       
    10. Character derailment: 4/10. Background ponies with established personalities suddenly treat the RM6 and CMCs as celebrities despite long-time contrary continuity, secondary ponies who are friends of the RM6 attacking them, Ponyville becoming Ponutville in spite of the show's goals and atmospheres.

    Total: 33/100. Seems about right.

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    2. Dark Qiviut

      Dark Qiviut

      So far, none of them go that high. OBA and EQG1 (not listed, since it's not an ep) would be the highest, and I have them both in the mid-30s.

    3. King Clark

      King Clark

      Aye. I'll read this review later. It looks pretty in depth though. I'm definitely going to enjoy this. :) 

    4. WaterPulse

      WaterPulse

      @Dark Qiviut

      I don't think I can add much to this, but let me give it a shot.

      I think the most offensive part isn't that the writers put the Mane 6 though hell, or the writers saying "fuck you" to a good chunk of their audience. No, the most offensive part is them pretty going scorched earth - intentional or otherwise - on their own universe just to prove a point. Were it not for that fact that this is probably a one-off thing, assuming Equestria doesn't start going the way of Springfield in post '90s Simpsons, an act like this tells me that everything I've watched has been a total waste of time and makes the writers as butthurt as the people they're criticizing.

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    Older Pony: Twilight was better before she got wings!

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    When. Will. This. Dumb. Straw. Man. Ever. Die?!

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    3. Libra

      Libra

      And I'm pretty sure ponies here know who I'm referring too, but I don't mean ill against thsm

    4. Infinite

      Infinite

      yeah t me star light is an interesting pony

  5. Y'know what's really, really sad about this episode? Everyone other than the RM7 and a few fillies is a complete jerk. The brony stereotypes aren't just confined to every adult, but almost all the fillies, too. When that much of the pony population is that insufferable, it creates a representation that most of these fans (and every adult fan) is like this IRL.

    1. Infinite

      Infinite

      I tell you mlp is trying to be ttg

  6. Quote
    Reporter Pony: Well, sure. I read this journal cover to cover, and I have to say your character would have been much more interesting if she'd stayed in Canterlot.
    Twilight Sparkle: My character?! We are real ponies! This journal is a record of things that actually happened to us! We made mistakes, and we learned from them!

    This exchange right here is the worst dialogue in the entire episode.

    Think about this for a second. This whole episode is supposed to be response to criticism and abuse the showrunners sometimes get in response to specific episodes. The way it's done is have the characters act as the showrunners' avatar, while the fans are who they're retorting. It's self-referential and doesn't hide it.

    What's happening here is every single adult in this episode is a representation of a specific stereotype within the fandom, and the showrunners are using the fans as straw men.

    This one bit of dialogue completely destroys everything DHX is trying to say. When we as an audience criticize the Mane Eight, we don't usually do so because we hate the characters or expect the worst. We criticize because we know that this show is very good and has done great, yet can do better. As an audience, we relate to them in some way or another and some characters more than others. It can be a mane pony, secondary, or background. Everyone has a preference of who they like most and who they dislike, and that's completely okay. Everyone doesn't look at a character exactly the same way. At the end of the day, though, we still love the characters and appreciate the show and staff for what they're trying to do.

    This "parody" is completely inaccurate in message, conflict, and theme. This line causes the whole conflict to fall apart.

    1. They're characters, not real people. They exist only on screen, on paper, or in our own imaginations. It's the creators' job to flesh them out and make that character become high-quality and memorable. The showrunners' avatars aren't real, and neither are the antagonists.
    2. But in the universe, the characters ARE real. They did undergo major trials and tests. Each time they wrote in the journal, they changed for the better, even after the episode sometimes work. Fluttershy after Breezies, Dash in Equestria Games following Rainbow Falls, Twilight after Testing, etc. In canon, the characters aren't dictated by a writer's pencil or keyboard, because there, they don't exist. On the other hand, the antagonists who buys the journals and reads them see the lessons (and those who wrote them) as fictional characters.

      Neither the antagonists nor protagonists are on equal conflict ground. The ponies questioning, bashing, stalking, and abusing the ponies are treating them not as real people, but as characters that we as readers want to replicate on paper and recreate or property that we can recycle. How the hell can the reporter honestly believe that the RM6 are fictional characters when he's talking to them before them? How can the other ponies from within their inner circles suddenly begin to see them as celebrities when they've known them for so long, anyway?

      This small exchange does nothing except tell the audience that all of these "antagonists" are straw men. Characters written to be proven wrong in order for the mane character to have the upper hand. F&M uses real talking points from within the fandom, check them off, and morph them into abusive caricatures of fans rather than taking the good, bad, and recreating them into what fans as a whole truly are — people.
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    2. King Clark

      King Clark

      Just wait till you hear the message of the song and how it relates to this episode.

    3. Dark Qiviut

      Dark Qiviut

      That's tomorrow. Night!

    4. King Clark
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    Reporter Pony: Well, sure. I read this journal cover to cover, and I have to say your character would have been much more interesting if she'd stayed in Canterlot.
    Twilight Sparkle: My character?! We are real ponies! This journal is a record of things that actually happened to us! We made mistakes, and we learned from them!

    Excuse moi. I need to find a table to slam against.

  8. Funny. F&M reminds me a lot of Hard to Say Anything. Like Hard, F&M started out okay. After Twilight published the journal, the quality nosedived.

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    2. King Clark

      King Clark

      You know what I mean about that quote, though? It seems like the episode is going back to the "critique" that Rarity doesn't belong among the mane cast and that she is a liar. I don't understand.

       

      She does have the same coloration as the Daisy from S1 and we saw enough from S1 to at least know that she isn't the uptight prick she is in this episode.

    3. Dark Qiviut

      Dark Qiviut

      I think I understand what you mean.

      This episode keeps showing a bunch of big plot holes, and I can't make any sense in trying to fill them.

      Meantime, I'm writing a status why the dialogue about why "my character" doesn't work.

    4. King Clark

      King Clark

      Oh, alright. Didn't mean to keep you from your business. :P 

  9. And it's the worst of season 7, too.
  10. Can easily say that this is the worst meta episode of the show. Each time they plug in a reference, it falls flat on its face.
  11. Hey, I got some more terrible dialogue for ya.

     

    Pearly Stitch: Twilight was better before she got wings!

     

    *eyeroll* Ya, that is another real line from this piece of crap.

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    2. Dark Qiviut

      Dark Qiviut

      Eeyup! Most of my statuses here will be used (and cleaned up) for it.

    3. King Clark

      King Clark

      *rubs hands together*

       

      Oh boy! I can't wait! :D 

    4. King Clark

      King Clark

      Between all the status updates you have made about this episode, you have already written a review basically. 

  12. Now at the area where AJ's farm becomes bombarded with fanatics.Are they the ponies who laughed at Pinkie, the fillies who trashed Twilight's lessons, the anti-Rarity hate mob, the couple who bashed Rarity, or those who stalked and cowered FS? No. They aren't negative ponies.

    Why are they jerks? All of them show up at SAA unannounced, immediately declare themselves part of the AJ fanclub (with the desire to be an Apple, too), and force the Apple family to accommodate them while they're moping around and feeling miserable. This is an unhealthy approach to appreciating someone, but it'd be fine if it was treated like some kind of phase. Like they snap out of it. Or that some of the ponies asked to help out instead. This isn't happening.

    Secondly, this is supposed to be a reference to AJ not being as popular in the fandom as the others and AJ's lack of popularity in merchandise. *bzzt* Doesn't work.

    1. Just about every character who invaded SAA is established, some of them (including Cherry Berry (again) and Dinky Doo) back from season one. This scene reinforces one of the episode's fatal flaws I pointed earlier: the sudden treatment of the RM6 as celebrities. Ponyville already knows them; if they'd care about the journals, they'd do so by now. And they've been celebrities since the very beginning.
    2. AJ's statement of "popularity" understates the chaos from SAA and their insufferable behavior.
    3. Context is key. If this was the first or early joke in order and rewritten a bit to make it seem like it's tourists from abroad flocking in line to meet her, then it's possible to make it work. Instead, the ponies leading up to it live in town (except a select few) and act like irredeemable assholes because of plot convenience. These ponies reinforce that context.
    1. That jump scare (Rarity's nervous breakdown face) would work a lot better had it not be so emphasized in grotesque detail (including how we can really see the inside of her mouth when talking), take up a good portion of the screen, and not backed by the fact that two ponies treated her like garbage behind her back. It doesn't work in AJ's "Day" Off, and it doesn't work here.
    2. Wrote it once before, and I'll write it again. Why would Lemon Hearts (one of Twilight's friends from Canterlot) even be a part of the anti-Rarity hate mob in the first place? She'd know how much Rarity (and the rest of her friends back in Ponyville) mean to her, and she'd respect that. If she got upset, chances are she'd write or talk to Twilight.
    3. Twilight's frustrated face after getting accidentally smashed by AJ was funny. Different face, yet simple and not creepy.
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    2. ChB

      ChB

       

      Quote

       

      Reporter Pony: Well, sure. I read this journal cover to cover, and I have to say your character would have been much more interesting if she'd stayed in Canterlot.

      Twilight Sparkle: My character?! We are real ponies! This journal is a record of things that actually happened to us! We made mistakes, and we learned from them!

       

      This is actual dialogue from this episode. Stupid. So so stupid!

       

      100% agree! How could the Reporter treat the journal as a work of fiction, when he sees the characters with his own eyes?!

       

    3. ChB

      ChB

      Quote

      It was Rarity stress sowing after she was insulted behind her back by those two assholes.

      Oh, I see. Then yes, I agree with Dark Qiviut. A jump-scare would imply a surprise. Rarity's face was hardly a surprise, especially if you remember other Rarity episodes.

    4. Dark Qiviut

      Dark Qiviut

      @King Clark @ChB

      Quote

      Reporter Pony: Well, sure. I read this journal cover to cover, and I have to say your character would have been much more interesting if she'd stayed in Canterlot.

      Twilight Sparkle: My character?! We are real ponies! This journal is a record of things that actually happened to us! We made mistakes, and we learned from them!

       

      This is actual dialogue from this episode. Stupid. So so stupid!

      Wow. Just wow. I know Twilight's line was bad. The fact it was followed by a reporter who stated it as a work of fiction makes it a whole lot worse.

  13. You remind me of PrymeStriker from the MLP Forums, since he has a very hyperbolic style of reviewing like you. Are you him, by any chance?

    1. LostSanity

      LostSanity

      I'm not on the MLP Forums at all due to the horror stories I've heard. So no I'm not him.

    2. Dark Qiviut
    3. LostSanity

      LostSanity

      I'm pretty sure I'd be banned from the MLP Forums in less than a week, more than likely less than a day, if I were to join due to 1. My opinions (particularly concerning MLP: FiM) and 2. The way I post my opinions.

  14. Fame and Misfortune allowed me to compare it with Stranger Than Fan Fiction, one I criticized firmly over the past year. I was dead wrong about STFF; it's a much better episode than I once thought, and compared to Fame, it's better in every conceivable way.

    1. The tone is much more relaxed. Even though they were kidnapped, the stakes were more toned down and nowhere as cynical as Fame, meaning they're able to get away with cartoon logic and fantastical hijinks a whole lot more.

      In Fame, the tone's more aggressive, confrontational, cold, and very cruel. Not pleasant nor welcoming at all.
    2. The meta humor was good. Really good. The con references are subtle, accurate, self-deprecating, and clearly done tongue in cheek rather than mean-spiritedly. The jokes work and are funny, because it (in a cute and clever way) celebrates the Daring Do fandom's level of dedication and analysis (and to parallel it, us). You can see the satire here, but it was all done in good fun and fit the atmosphere of the show quite nicely..

      In Fame, this level of meta went from satire to accusatory very quickly. You can easily trace the criticism aimed at the show back from season 4. Unlike STFF, DHX shows how much they hate this type of criticism and use the RM7 as a vessel to unleash their frustration. But they attach the valid criticism issued at the show pre-S5 with psychopathic abuse. Unlike STFF or SoL, this type of meta referencing and "humor" aren't subtle, clever, or even creative. It's lazy and underhanded.
    3. Quibble is actually a good character. What makes him stand out is, yes, he can be an elitist and sometimes a bit of a jerk. But he's also a fan like the rest in the con. It's very clear to the audience that he was only one bad apple within that entire con, yet is also a genuinely good person. On top of that, he learns his lesson at the end.

      This isn't the case here in Fame. Aside from a few fillies and RM7 themselves, every character here is a jerk with no redeeming qualities. These ponies are caricatures representing awful stereotypes aimed at fandoms and groups of fans. Some of them debut here to represent a certain generalization of fans or a fan themself. Other ponies, like the five background ponies in the Pinkie scene, are series-long mainstays; at least two of them (Carrot Top, Berry Punch) are very beloved, and three of them (Carrot, Punch, Cherry Berry) were background ponies during The Smile Song.

      The fact that every adult fan here is a jerk helps kill this episode and make it season 7's worst. No fandom, not even bronydom, is like this. There are good fans and bad fans. Everyone with common sense knows this. So, where are the good adult fans? Why the hell don't we have any equal focus on them? Why the hell does the episode combine valid criticism with abuse and not isolate the two? Simple: if they're there, the plot as is'll fall completely apart. Fame and Misfortune applies adult fans with a thick, broad brush and use them to create a straw man of who adult fans are. When the abusive adult fans are ALL we see from that age in the story, you apply a false impression upon your audience that Ponyville and adult bronies are bad people and act like this in real life. If you wanna figure out how to create generalizations and stereotypes, this is a great way to do it.

    It's absolutely shameful that many people within this fandom actually think this type of hypocrisy is okay to show and teach people. Especially to children. The abuse the writers and others in DHX got is absolutely disgraceful; that doesn't make it okay for whoever it was behind the scenes to apply a vindictive setting into a show designed to welcome and uplift people, have the background characters stalk and abuse the ponies themselves, use background ponies to apply ageist stereotypes and straw men upon age groups as a whole, and make the RM7 avatars just to attempt to look better. Fans are people, not one-dimensional cardboard, and there's good and bad in all of them. Comments like "bronies had it coming," "they're snowflakes for hating it," or "it's okay, because people experienced it" don't make the episode any better; in fact, excusing this lowbrow shit makes it look worse. The type of story that Fame and Misfortune told is dishonest, lazy, self-centered, and has no place anywhere, especially in educational form.

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    2. Dark Qiviut

      Dark Qiviut

      IIRC, ELTSD got it because of the pacing. At the time, I was okay with what Starlight did, because the episode suggested that she still needed to work on her morale and that her spells were a stupid idea. I'll have to rewatch it to get a better grasp of the quality.

    3. King Clark

      King Clark

      Listen, I would completely agree with you here if this was the first Starlight episode of S6. However, it's not. This is episode 21, the last one before the finale where the show tries it's best to convince us just how far she has come. You would think that her disturbing Our Town morale would have been gone by this point considering how late in the season this episode is. However, I don't know if I can completely blame her. I mean, this is also partially Twilight's responsibility (which the episode never acknowledges). It makes Twilight look really really bad here. I mean, what the fuck has she been teaching SG if SG still thinks that this is okay this late in the arc?

       

      The bottom line is that it's too late for this crap. 

    4. Dark Qiviut

      Dark Qiviut

      *laugh* I don't disagree with you. In fact, its placement, how her horrid habits hadn't died, and how it was her first possible solution rather than her last really hurt it greatly. It's Starlight at her lowest at the time and does a poor job justifying it. If I rewatch it, it might go lower.