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  1. Why wait for him to return in the comic? Intro I think it’s time to change things up. Don’t worry, I’ve not lost my fire for the shadow king, and I’m saying that he’s still alive until the day I die. It’s just that now that the Season 10 comic is finally out, a particular reveal from a plot synopsis has provoked me to look at things from another angle. As much as I enjoyed both my King Sombra is Still Alive theory and my King Sombra is Discord’s Creation theory, and still feel that some of the ideas I discussed in them will hold up, other ideas I discussed, I have begun to rethink. From the start, I always knew that getting everything right would be impossible. These are just fan theories after all, and coming to a concrete conclusion always takes trial-and-error. Granted, I’ve not seen anything that proves Sombra couldn’t be related to the Tree of Harmony yet, nor have I seen anything that proves he couldn’t be related to Discord in some way yet. Honestly, however, it’s not about being right or wrong. I just feel my greatest error in making those theories in retrospect was...overthinking in the wrong places. I came to some very grandiose conclusions, pointing to ideas that the creative staff may have only intended to reserve in case of a different situation. We know quite a few of the ideas they had originally intended for Season 9 were cut, so what if they had an idea for King Sombra that had to be drastically simplified? What if there’s a simple story telling us what happens to Sombra after he gets defeated that we can construe from clues in the show? Clues put there to show careful watchers of the show that...he’s never truly been gone. Sombra’s Story in the Show The main reason I’m still hung up on this, even after so much theorizing, is not something so simple as my fandom for Sombra or a grudge against what happened in the final season of the show. I would’ve let go of all of this and moved on long ago if Sombra’s story on the surface was clear and made sense. But currently, on the surface, it is unclear and does not make sense, and I can’t settle for that. Why does it not make sense? Plotholes and inconsistencies. The notion that the Mane 6 killed Sombra isn’t just insulting to Sombra. It’s also insulting to the Mane 6. The Mane 6 do not kill. Sombra can not just die, come back to life again with no explanation (or survive with no explanation), then die again forever. There was no reason for him to not put the Mane 6 under his mind control again. There is a blatant contradiction between the opening of the second part of The Beginning of the End where he says that their greatest fear is him conquering Ponyville, when in the first part, we clearly saw that Twilight’s greatest fear was letting Equestria be destroyed, a far worse fate than Ponyville being taken over. And after the reveal of Discord being Grogar, meaning Discord would’ve put Twilight’s family in actual danger if Sombra really was going to destroy any pony who got in his way, how in the world are we supposed to just sit back and say that there’s not more to Sombra than meets the eye? He doesn’t have to be the dark counterpart to the Tree of Harmony. He doesn’t have to be created by Discord. He doesn’t have to be a kirin. He doesn’t even have to have gone through what I’m about to propose. All that matters is that we know something is wrong, and I want to find out what. And with newfound evidence, I have a better idea than ever now what. Sombra’s Appearance in the Forest Though this piece of evidence, the appearance of a Sombra-like figure in the forest in Between Dark and Dawn, is something you might recognize from my second theory, new facts about it have come to my attention. Do you recognize the setting in this image? It’s the exact same forest that appeared in Apple Bloom’s nightmare in Bloom and Gloom. Not only is the background exactly the same, the visual foreshadowing is exactly the same. In Bloom and Gloom, during the scene where Apple Bloom is questioning her shadow, you can see her shadow pass by her at lightning speed to hint that the source of Apple Bloom’s trauma is her shadow. Yes, the exact same way the Sombra-like figure passes by Celestia. This indubitably proves that the shadow is designed to resemble Sombra, nothing else. Why make an Easter egg like that, a reference to something most fans haven’t caught...for a simple gag involving Celestia being afraid of chickens? Why would they go through the trouble of including that visual for the last episode starring Celestia and Luna in the spotlight? I feel the reason is because there’s something about Celestia, Luna, and Sombra the show means to imply…something in regards to a familiar villain... Sombra’s Appearance in the Moon Remember the scene in The Summer Sun Setback? Where the unicorns use their magic to create an image on the moon before the fireworks display? You may have assumed the image was meant to be of Nightmare Moon. But it’s actually an image of King Sombra. How can it not be of Nightmare Moon? Because Nightmare Moon wears a helmet that covers everything except her horn. The image of the pony on the moon was wearing horned headgear. And there was clearly something trailing from the pony’s eyes. There’s only one pony in the entire show who meets that description. Also, take note of the two circles that appear by the image, as well as the pose of the pony. Those most likely represent the fact that a circle of friends had to defeat Sombra twice. And the pose of the pony, aghast as he is holding up a hoof, is the exact same pose Sombra was in when he was defeated by the Mane 6 for the second time. How in the world could this visage of Sombra in the moon be a simple coincidence? Regardless of what we’re meant to infer from this, it’s undoubtedly odd. What is it with all the similarities between Nightmare Moon and King Sombra all throughout the series? Sombra’s Relation to Nightmare Moon Long before I ever thought I would be getting into writing fan theories, people drew comparisons between these two. Long before I was comparing Sombra to Discord, fans were pointing out how similar Sombra and Nightmare Moon are in design with their armor and flowing hair, in charisma with them both being hammy, shadowy villains with gawkish laughs, and in powers with their abilities to manipulate ponies with fear and turn to dark smoke. However, in my personal experience, I have never seen someone argue how much Sombra pays direct homage to Nightmare Moon. Both of them destroy the Elements, both of them get defeated at the throne of the castle of the two sisters, and both of them are the only two villains in the entire franchise to be disintegrated. Say what? Yes, give Part 2 of Princess Twilight Sparkle a rewatch some time and look closely at what is happening to Nightmare Moon when she is being banished by Celestia. She’s not just being enveloped by the light. There are holes opening up in her body and marks where you can clearly see that she’s actually being broken apart. Yet exactly like Sombra, she was able to let out a campy cry of “Noooo!” while she was being disintegrated. I know where you think I’m going with this. “King Sombra is still alive and totally going to return in the Season 10 comic!”. The former, I feel is definitely true, obviously. The latter, I can’t say with absolute certainty. Though I would love for Sombra to reappear in the comics, there is a clear issue… Sombra’s Story in the Comics Yeah, I’m really getting deja vu here. First, I’m talking about Sombra’s relation to Luna seriously again for the first time in nearly four years and now this. I had a whole section in my very first Sombra theory dedicated to proving how the comics were not canon to the show. And then I turned out to be right in the wake of the Season 9 premiere. However, that was then and this is now. Things change. Now, we are getting a comic meant to be a continuation of the show, and things could go one way or the other in regards to Sombra. They could choose to either scrap the story of him being an umbrum entirely, retcon the story in the comics to make it fit with the continuity of the show, or retcon the show to make it fit with the continuity of the comics. At first, the latter two options seem highly unlikely, because how many ways could they make these two completely different stories with contradicting lores fit together? Well, now that the crew making the comics does not have to worry about something in the show contradicting them anymore, they could find a way. By pretending the conversation in the Season 9 premiere where Rarity clearly recalls the events of the Season 3 premiere where Sombra was dispelled into the ether and makes no recollection of any events that transpired in Siege of the Crystal Empire never happened, or throwing in an explanation of how it was a result of, let’s say for example, Discord erasing their memories of the events as part of the test, they could very well bring Sombra back while calling both his story in the comics and his story in the show canon. Or even more simply… Now that the company that produced Friendship is Magic no longer has any say in what happens with the franchise, the comic could easily deem itself “the true canon” henceforth, asserting its right to deem as many things from the show as it needs to “noncanon”. So is what I’m actually going with that this entire theory was a waste of time because anything in the show can now be overwritten by the comic? No. What I am going with is that no matter what happens in the comic, King Sombra can’t return...because he’s still been around all along. Sombra Was Never Really Gone King Sombra can not die because he is a concept. A concept that the crew creating the comics now can do whatever they want with. Regardless of how much respect they decide to pay to the canon of the show, I believe that the canon of the show was never meant to kill Sombra for good. At worst, I believe the end they intended for him...was banishment. And I believe that banishment...would be to the moon. Yes, as hackneyed as that sounds, I’m being completely serious. I’ve suggested crazier. I know, the image on the moon could’ve just been a drawing. But think it through. Where does Sombra go when he purportedly dies? We know he can’t be totally annihilated if his conscience can just be brought back to life, so where did he go when he got blown up the first time in the Season 3 premiere? If he was dispelled into the ether, that would mean the sky. Yeah, it’s already starting to sound less ridiculous, even if that may have something to do with how ridiculous this show is in general (not an insult, I cherish the fact I doubt even the biggest MLP fans would deny). To further the plausibility of this suggestion, I would draw attention to the fate of Tirek, Cozy Glow, and Chrysalis in the finale. If they get turned to stone, suffering the same fate as Discord, wouldn’t it be consistent for Sombra to suffer the same fate as Nightmare Moon, being sent to the moon? Especially after they’ve already shared the same fate? I do acknowledge that this line of reasoning would only correct two of the plotholes I originally addressed about the story of Sombra in the show. However, what if we were to include what I postulated in my theory involving him and Discord, where I showcased evidence of him being Discord’s accomplice? Discord possessing shadow magic, knowing of Sombra’s disobedience ahead of time, knowing he wouldn’t actually harm anyone, too many strange things were happening to be deemed coincidental and that’s not even including what I realized recently of how unlikely it was for even Discord to be able to find both Arimaspi’s Eye (the ball he uses as Grogar) and Grogar’s Bell while putting this entire plan of impersonating Grogar together by himself. Going down this line of reasoning, the other three inconsistencies essentially explain themselves. Sombra didn’t actually hurt anyone and gave the Mane 6 a chance at a fair fight under Discord’s orders. Discord originally intended to bring him back again, but now that Sombra was sent to the moon, he couldn’t. Not all of his magic went with him though, and that’s what stalked Celestia in the forest. The fact that Sombra was sent to the moon is what made everyone confident of the fact that he was not coming back despite the fact that he was clearly able to return after being taken care of by the Elements before, and is also what gave ponies the idea to put an image of him on the moon. The theme makes perfect sense as an homage to Nightmare Moon too. Because if Nightmare Moon is the mare in the moon, then King Sombra is the shadow on the moon. Conclusion In the end, whether or not King Sombra was actually banished to the moon, these new facts that came to light when I went back and observed things more closely were quite eye-opening and say a lot about what his presence might have actually meant for the show. This is only the fifth theory now, you know the drill. This is only a fan theory, take it with a grain of salt. Trial and error are how I come to my conclusions, thus why I had to go back to my theories and re-evaluate many things, leaving aside ideas that I once embraced but had to assess again. I just make these theories because I love to share with other fans of Sombra what I find, and you’re allowed to take whatever you want from them, including finding them silly, as even I can’t believe this series of theories ended up becoming a quintology. That’s just what happens though when you refuse to stop saying, “Long live the shadow king.”. It’s not about what you get wrong or right, and I can definitely say that I have long lost interest in fruitless debates about who’s wrong or right on the internet. I’m just backing up why I feel the way I do with the best facts I can find. Sombra was already always alive to me, and now, I feel that he’s always even been where I once couldn’t see him.
  2. My third King Sombra fan theory. This one doesn't just involve him not being dead, and goes over a possibility opened up in the finale. OvertureI think it’s safe to say that the series finale to My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic was not what either followers or skeptics of my past two theories on King Sombra were expecting. On one hand, to the dismay of many Sombra fans, Sombra did not appear in any of the final episodes. However, on the other hand, I only had to make minor updates to my previous theory in contrast to the major ones I initially expected to have to make. Though it did initially contain some inaccuracies that I had to correct, the final episodes, despite lacking Sombra, actually provided more evidence that points to my theory being on the right track. You should already know just from the title that this theory will focus on a different subject than the first two, but it is a subject that ties directly back to the notion that our shadow king will never be truly gone, since there is no way to deny now that Sombra’s apparent immortality has something to do with Discord.One may ask though, what is the point of making another theory now? The show is over, right? As I’ve discussed before, there is very much still purpose in discussing theories and possibilities, as not only did the show leave much to speculate and answer for ourselves, but the MLP franchise itself is far from over. Furthermore, the Kojima-style storytelling of “everything’s a lie” that the first of the final three episodes went with feels intended to motivate us to do our own digging to find the truth for ourselves. So let’s get right in…Discord’s PowersThe things we are told about the show’s biggest plot twist, the biggest lie that completely went against what most fans were expecting, that do get confirmed to us by the show itself are Grogar being Discord, Discord being the one who brought the villains back as a way to test Twilight Sparkle, and most notably in relation to this theory, Discord being the one who “resurrected” King Sombra. Yes, as you may have noticed, I am still maintaining my habit of putting “resurrected” in quotations because there is so much about Discord’s “power of resurrection” that demands scrutiny. If he can just bring the dead back to life, why didn’t he ever do it before? If he always had that kind of power, it’s hard to believe that even the Elements of Harmony could’ve brought him down in his days as a villain.Not only that, but take note of the way he brought Sombra back in The Beginning of the End. He didn’t use his chaos magic, but a symbol on the ground with a shape similar to that of Sombra’s dark crystals. The color of the symbol on the ground in this scene was blue too, while Discord’s magic is normally yellow. In Twilight’s Kingdom, when his magic gets sucked out by Tirek, the color of his magic, the color of shadow. Interestingly, even while Discord was pretending to be Grogar, his magic still maintained a color of addition to an aura of shadow. When Discord’s magic was absorbed by Grogar’s Bell, the magic’s color was yellow and black. And what kind of magic did Discord use to teleport the villains to his lair? Shadow magic. Bearing these facts in mind, it seems much more likely that what Discord used to bring Sombra back wasn’t “the power of resurrection”, but the power of darkness.What difference does it make? A huge one. If Discord could not tap the power of the forces of darkness, he couldn’t possibly have been able to impersonate Grogar. He didn’t just summon Tirek and Cozy Glow straight from Tartarus, he was also able to utilize Grogar’s Crystal Ball to its full effect, recreating images of the time where Grogar’s monsters roamed Equestria and even used Grogar’s Bell to reclaim his chaos magic. And it’s not just Discord either who must know how to use dark magic to recreate the past. In fact, it’s even been proven in the show that not only do Celestia and Twilight have the ability to use dark magic, but alicorn magic, in Princess Twilight Sparkle, takes the form of Sombra’s trademark green and purple magic when used on the potion Twilight needs to drink to see the past. Almost every instance of dark magic in the show is faithful to a central theme of recreating the past and both casting and dispelling illusions of fear. Yet not one spell in the show, dark magic, alicorn magic, or otherwise, has ever been used to call back a creature from the dead…One more fact we know that would definitely be consistent with my theory that it was shadow magic that was used to bring Sombra back, not “resurrection magic”, is the fact that Grogar was a real creature, not a character that Discord made up, as confirmed by the show. Every image Discord showed in the Crystal Ball was a depiction of a real object or a real event that happened in the past, and one of those events was Grogar summoning monsters from the dark to terrorize Equestria. Discord even vows to send Sombra back to the darkness he came from if he does not comply with his deal… Yeah, I do believe at this point it’s safe to say that it’s much more likely that Sombra’s return was the result of him being called back from the shadows, not “resurrected from the dead”. Occam’s Razor would agree, the former solution is the much simpler one and much more likely to be the correct one.Regardless of how Sombra came back though, it’s only scratching the surface of the wealth of clues we are given in the show that things are not what they appear to be. To reiterate, we are flat-out told by the show that everything we were made to believe involving the mess with Sombra returning and trying to take over Equestria was a lie...but we are not told in-depth exactly how everything was a lie. That’s where the next part of my theory comes in…King Sombra is Discord’s AgentAgain, let’s begin with what the show confirmed. It was actually Discord who brought King Sombra back, and thus, he was the one who sent Sombra to the Crystal Empire to attempt to take it over as a way to test Twilight and her friends. Seems straightforward enough. So what is the reason for wanting more details on what exactly happened? Honestly, I’d have trouble only coming up with one.First of all, Discord’s scheme of only sending one villain to test Twilight and her friends, followed by three, only makes sense if he knows in advance that Sombra will not submit to him. Though anyone could predict that the villains would need time to learn how to work together, only someone who knows Sombra well enough could predict that he wouldn’t go along with the plan. And as far as the show tells us, Discord does not know Sombra least as we are told.If we only go by what we are shown in the show, we are left to see that Discord sent Sombra to the Crystal Empire, right after he vowed to “destroy anypony who got in his way”, unsupervised. What would Discord have done had Sombra actually killed someone? The scene where he talks to Twilight and her friends in the castle not only proves that he was not constantly monitoring Sombra, but also makes it very likely that he knew Sombra would destroy the Tree of Harmony. After all, it is in this scene where he expresses his disdain over Twilight and her friends resolving to defeat Sombra with the Elements of Harmony rather than their own strength. Don’t forget either how he revealed his agenda was to test them...and this also isn’t the only time Discord has been hinted to have an agenda against the Tree…Going back to Princess Twilight Sparkle again, Discord revealed at the end that he was responsible for the Tree of Harmony’s rot, back in the time when he was a villain. However, after he got reformed, why did he do nothing to stop it despite the fact that the Tree’s life was in jeopardy? The answer can very easily be inferred as him just wanting to test Twilight and have fun as always...but is that really all? Remember that the Tree has been revealed to be not just a living thing, but a conscious being since What Lies Beneath. Even Discord at his worst has never killed anyone or put their lives at risk, so if we only go by what we are told by the show, it is very uncharacteristic of him to feel no remorse for not only putting the lives of innocent civilians in danger, but also getting a conscious being killed by bringing Sombra back.Does all of this mean that I believe that Discord used Sombra to kill the Tree without getting his hands dirty and in turn, used the Mane 6 to kill Sombra to cover his tracks, all without showing regard for the innocent lives of anybody who may have gotten caught in the crossfire? The no. Yes, despite how damning the evidence against Discord may seem, there is a way for him to be innocent. Hanlon’s Razor, always assume incompetence before malice.In my second King Sombra theory, you may remember a part where I talked about Sombra being sent to the Tree of Harmony as part of his destiny, meaning that the powers that be were responsible for the Tree’s destruction, not Discord. It’s true now that we have another way to explain how Sombra came back after being “destroyed” by the Elements, Discord could’ve simply restored him to life again. However, bear in mind that if it was the Tree that allowed itself to be destroyed so that it could adapt to a new form Equestria needed and help the Mane 6 realize that they didn’t need the Elements, Discord would be absolved of killing the Tree. Regardless of the Tree’s length of involvement, that is the only way for him to be innocent if he is Sombra’s “mastermind”. The quotations should be enough to tell you that I don’t believe Sombra is Discord’s puppet, but his accomplice. One admittedly unsettling implication of The Ending of the End, that I, like many, hope and believe was unintended, was that Discord was using the villains as cogs to be thrown away and destroyed before they could have a chance to change their ways. I myself have no clue why Discord would not just state that he wanted to reform the villains, since not only would that make him look better, it would also make much more sense with what the show implied prior. Think back to how much Discord emphasized as Grogar the importance of working together. He never imagined that Tirek, Cozy Glow, and Chrysalis would ever use Grogar’s Bell against him, and it was the quest for the bell that almost got them to discover the magic of friendship. And even if the bell wasn’t used on him, wouldn’t the villains find out anyway that Discord was Grogar? After all, Discord would never release Grogar’s magic or use the bell to steal magic from innocent creatures. So that only leaves Sombra. Why did he seemingly never get a chance to change his ways? This goes back to what I believe, Discord and Sombra were working together.Think of the two’s relationship this way, and I’ll explain why this way makes the most sense. What if before Discord made his grand entrance as Grogar, he and Sombra talked over what they were going to do ahead of time? Sombra was the last to show up at the first meeting of the villains, and he was the only one who could’ve seen Grogar’s true form in the cave. Notice how when Discord draws the circle with the stick, the stick isn’t being levitated with magic, implying that Discord is holding it by hand. This makes it likely that Discord was not even in his Grogar disguise yet, as he had to levitate objects with his horns as Grogar. Also imagine if Sombra didn’t know Discord was Grogar. What chance would he have had to change his ways if Discord’s plan was to redeem the villains as is implied? Unless Discord’s idea of reforming Sombra was manipulating him to potentially kill ponies before getting himself blown up again. It doesn’t make any sense unless you consider the fact that Discord and Sombra could have very easily set everything up together.Also consider how torn up Twilight was in The Ending of the End, lamenting over how, in her own words, the victory she and her friends had against Sombra was “all a lie”. Keep in mind that they already knew beforehand that Discord could’ve stopped Sombra any time he wanted, so how does simply being reminded of their “very good-looking safety net” discourage them? The truth of Discord being the one who brought Sombra back leading Twilight to doubt herself only makes sense...if she is able to sense that Sombra was in on Discord’s plan.Doesn’t this, however, contradict Discord’s assertment that the fight was real and Sombra’s behavior throughout The Beginning of the End that seemed too good for an act? It does not, it’s consistent with my line of reasoning that Sombra was not some puppet being manipulated. I fully believe that he did what Discord told him to do for a goal of his own, to prove that he was the strongest being in Equestria, something he boasted about to Twilight and her friends. He could only prove such a thing by defeating them on an even playing field. That would explain perfectly why he didn’t use mind control on them and gave them a chance to defeat him instead of killing them when he had them trapped. He wanted them to escape and face him again, which is why he was so happy when he saw them enter the throne room…This would also explain how Discord’s plan would’ve given Sombra a chance to redeem himself as well. Discord must have known that the only way Sombra could’ve learned the power of friendship was through experiencing it for himself and realizing that it was indestructible. He couldn’t have learned this through the Elements being used on him, and while I still do not believe Discord instructed Sombra to destroy the Tree, Discord must have known that the Tree’s destruction was an inevitable part of Twilight’s destiny. After all, Twilight could not have fulfilled her destiny had she not realized that the Elements were never her true power. This also comes back to the focal topic of my last two theories...Discord’s plan to reform Sombra only makes sense if Sombra is not dead, but an immortal shadow.This tie-in is not how I intend to conclude everything though, since I have only set up the focal topic for this theory, our feature presentation…King Sombra is Discord’s CreationBoth Discord and King Sombra have always been characters shrouded in mystery. At first glance, these two characters don’t seem to have much in common. A wacky, talkative, incorrigible master of chaos and an enigmatic, stoic, calculating master of shadows. At least that’s how it was before The Beginning of the End, where Sombra’s new persona actually displayed traits reminiscent of Discord, being much more vain, voluble, and giddy. “Coincidentally”, this complete retcon of his old personality from the Season 3 premiere happens right after Discord brings him back…Returning to the topic of mystery, recall that in the entirety of the show’s run, we are never even given so much of a hint as to what Discord or Sombra’s origins are. This can be said about all the other villains too, but what sets these two apart from all the other villains is that they were the only two to engage with Celestia and Luna before they had the Elements of Harmony. And it was only because of these two that the Elements were ultimately destroyed. Though the connection is difficult to doubt, it is also difficult to tell the exact ordering of events between these four. Logically, one would assume that Celestia and Luna fought Sombra first, since they didn’t use the Elements on him in the flashback. But again, The Beginning of the End has brought a new question to the table. If Sombra was also interested in taking over all of Equestria, not just the Crystal Empire, why didn’t he do so before? What if he and Discord were both putting ponies under their reign of terror at the same time?After all, what else could have been stopping Sombra if he didn’t know of Celestia, Luna, and Discord’s strength? We have seen proof in the show that Discord is stronger than Sombra, in the sense that he can just click his fingers and be done with him, so it could be that Sombra just didn’t want to fight a losing battle...but how would he know that? And on the other side, what would be stopping Discord from taking Sombra out of the picture so that he could have the Crystal Empire to himself too? One would initially presume that all this can be easily answered by Discord not showing up in Equestria to wreak havoc until after Sombra was banished, but it can not. In order for the timeline to make sense, Discord needs a window of opportunity to know Sombra personally, or else he would not have a spell on hand that could bring him back.Besides what I already discussed, the unlikelihood of Discord just having the power to resurrect any pony he pleases, more evidence that his spell is only meant to revive Sombra specifically is the symbol on the ground that appears to be two of Sombra’s jagged crystals. Even more glaring evidence that I feel seals the deal is something I also already discussed in my previous theory, the center of the circle showing that there is something buried underneath. Most likely, what has been planted there is a seed. And who once tried to plant seeds underground as a way to destroy the Tree of Harmony? Discord. No pun intended, this is where everything comes full circle to the root...that seed is King Sombra.To expand even more on points I already made in my previous theory, I discussed then that both Sombra’s true nature and ultimate destiny were intertwined with the Tree of Harmony. Last time though, I did not discuss the possibility of him being born from a magical seed. I knew then that the Tree was also created from a magical seed, but I still chose to save the point for a later time, since then, we were still under the impression that it was Grogar, not Discord, who brought Sombra back. However, the reveal of it actually being Discord in the final episodes changes everything, as while we currently know nothing about Grogar, we know more than enough about Discord to see what could really be going on. After all, if Sombra knew that Grogar was actually Discord when he called him “the father of monsters”, that would make all too much sense...I’ve also gone over enough similarities between the Tree of Harmony and Sombra to make my point that the hint of a connection between them simply can’t just be attributed to coincidence. The more important matter now is Discord. We never learned where he got the Plunder Seeds he used against the Tree from. The most likely explanation is that he just created them with his magic, but what would that say for Sombra?Discord is shown using the power to bring inanimate objects to life throughout the show, granting them the ability to talk and move, but he has never been shown to have the power to give these inanimate objects a personality or anything that would lead to us believe they have an independent soul. In the end of The Break Up Break Down, he is shown gawking at Spike for acting as if a skeleton pony card he brought to life was anything more than a fictional character, describing her as “imaginary”. It is clear that this is not the way he could’ve given life to Sombra, however, that is not to say that Sombra was always a seed…Remember what I talked about in my last theory, how Sombra’s physical form and spirit form could be separate? And how in this theory, I’ve talked about Discord having the ability to call back creatures from the shadows? The easiest explanation we have right now for how Discord could have created Sombra is through contacting his spirit from the shadows and putting him inside a seed, creating him as a weapon to destroy the Tree. This explanation is not only the simplest, but also the most consistent, as it ties into the show canon’s description of Sombra being a former unicorn, what Jim Miller has said about Sombra being a ghost, and what I’ve said about him being a shadow in a body of crystal finding a way to truly return to life. One question this explanation would beg though is that if Sombra was created by Discord to destroy the Tree, why did he not destroy it then? Why was Discord forced to use Plunder Seeds instead? At first, it seems tricky, but the answer is actually in plain sight. Discord originally wanted to use Sombra because a living weapon would be more effective against the Tree than a nonliving weapon...but what if Sombra refused his commands? Since the Elements failed to defeat him, the case could be that he can’t be defeated by the Elements, but Discord certainly can. Not knowing that Celestia and Luna had the power in themselves to defeat him, he left Discord to get rid of the Tree himself. Since Discord’s plan also involved getting Celestia and Luna out of the way, it would make perfect sense with this line of reasoning for Sombra to disobey Discord and go off on his own.It seems that everything has finally come together in a niche...yet there is still one thing lacking. Hardcore evidence. Though it all fits logically, the appearance of a seed being planted in the middle of the circle used to call back Sombra is the most convincing piece of evidence to support the veracity of this theory. Not implying that it’s the only piece of evidence, and I feel that combined with all the evidence that points to Sombra having some kind of connection to the Tree of Harmony in addition to all the evidence that points to him having a connection to Discord, this theory stands on solid ground. However, I feel there is one stone we have yet to turn…In The Ending of the End, there are two very noteworthy parts that you wouldn’t think would demand further analysis, but are actually very telling. The first is the part where the Windigos return. What makes them worth discussing is not what happens with them in the actual episode, but the confirmation of their existence, which means more for this theory than you would think. If they were real all this time, you would think that the reason King Sombra never had to deal with them is because of the Crystal Heart...however, in both the alternate universe shown in The Cutie Re-mark and in his siege on Equestria in The Beginning of the End, he didn’t cause the Windigos to come back despite spreading his reign of fear and terror outside the Empire. It’s confirmed that the cause of the Windigos returning is animosity, hate among the ponies...yet Celestia described Sombra’s return in The Crystal Empire as hatred and fear taking hold. What banishes the Windigos is unity...which is ironically what Sombra does when he puts the ponies under his mind control. Though it’s through evil, he unites them and turns them into a formidable force.This leads right into the other noteworthy part, Twilight’s speech to the villains about how “there will always be darkness in the world, but there will always be those who find the light”. The discussion this part demands will not be as in-depth, as it is straight-up proof, confirmation from the show of what I talked about at the end of my last theory, the philosophy of Yin-Yang. This is the final part of my previous theory that gets called back to, where I spoke of Sombra being the dark counterpart of the Spirit of the Tree of Harmony, the Yang to its Yin. This final piece of evidence points to Sombra’s apparent connection to the Spirit of the Tree being part of the show’s biggest central theme by far...for the power of unity would be the same as the magic of friendship...ConclusionThough I do wish for this to be my final theory on the subject of King Sombra (after all, Part 3 is never as good), it is obviously out of my control if something else comes up to demand more analysis. I don’t wish to indefinitely create Sombra theories, but I also don’t want to close myself off from any more discussion of him that could be thought-provoking. I can’t deny that I do feel there are still more secrets surrounding this character that have yet to be explored, but that will be for another time. Until then, I would encourage you to do your own research and see what you can find before more evidence comes out in future pieces of MLP media. No matter what happens, long live the shadow king.
  3. You remember the Mare in the Moon story we're told at the very start of the show? Well, I have a theory that will expose it as a lie... What were we told from the story? Celestia and Luna were 2 sisters that raised and lowered the Sun and Moon, but Luna became jealous because she wasn't getting any attention and decided to not lower the Moon one night. After that, she became Nightmare Moon, and Celestia reluctantly used the Elements of Harmony to banish Nightmare Moon on the Moon for 1000 years, and the show starts one the 1000th year. I don't think this is actually true. No, I believe Celestia told everypony this reverse. If you pay attention to Celestia's behavior and mentality while interacting with Luna throughout the series, she seems to have a know-it-all and "I come first" attitude. It implies that Celestia pushes Luna aside while she gets the spotlight. If you take this and apply it with my theory that Celestia is using the concept of friendship to brainwash and indoctrinate everypony to expand her kingdom, then you can see that Celestia is pretty arrogant, manipulative, and controlling. So, when you look at the Mare in the Moon story from Luna's point of view, all she wanted was some of the attention and some credit, but the ponies did their thing during the day while sleeping during the night. It's clear that Luna felt left out and unappreciated. Remember when the story said that Luna wanted the night to last forever and turned evil when she refused to listen to Celestia? The story is making Luna look like a spoiled brat for not getting her way. Doesn't it seem like the story is trying to make Luna look like the bad guy while glorifying Celetsia at the same time? I think Celestia herself wrote the Mare in the Moon story, and she did it in a way that will make her look good and Luna bad. This gives off the impression to the story's readers that Celestia is the superior princess and the one you need to trust, and this, in turn, will make everypony discredit and disregard Luna. I could leave this here, but I think there's more to this. What if the Luna we've seen isn't the real Luna? What if...the original Luna was murdered by Celestia? "Oh, buck off, there's no way that Celestia would do something like this! " you Celestia fans out there, but just hear me out, here. When Luna refused to lower the Moon, the story claimed she was being a brat, but she was trying to stand up for herself from Celestia's mental abuse towards her. After Luna transformed herself into Nightmare Moon, Celestia realized that she wasn't gonna stay submissive and obedient to her authority anymore, so she decided to murder Luna to make sure her authority and rule wouldn't be challenged or overthrown. After the murder, Celestia told everypony that Luna went rogue, but this was a story she used to gain the trust and support from her subjects. So, Celestia basically covered up Luna's murder in order to protect her reputation and to keep her power. Celestia knew that somepony could eventually figure out the conspiracy, so she decided to make a clone of Luna as a fail-safe so she wouldn't be found out. When the events of the first 2 episodes took place, it was time for Celestia to fake Nightmare Moon's return. Remember when Celestia seem to disappear and Nightmare Moon appeared? I believe that the Nightmare Moon we see in those first 2 episodes was really Celestia in disguise. This explains why Celestia was missing without any trace or explanation. When Nightmare Moon was defeated, Celestia put the Luna clone in her place, and she reappeared, making it look like she was released from where Nightmare Moon supposedly banished her to. The idea that Nightmare Moon was Celestia in disguise makes sense because, after Nightmare Moon was defeated, she appeared out of nowhere. Again, we're giving NO explanation for how Celestia supposedly disappeared by Nightmare Moon and where she was. It makes all of this seem to be a set up. And did you ever notice how easily Nightmare Moon was defeated? I mean, she didn't even put up a fight. And all the damage she made was easily reversible. Now, where does the "told on reverse" bit come in? Celestia didn't want competition from her sister when it came to ruling Equestria. Luna was the one who was trying to reason with Celestia about sharing the rule 50-50, but Celestia wasn't about to give any of it up. This is what the "Luna refused to lower the Moon to make room for the day" bit was really; it was a metaphor of one not sharing the power with the co-ruler and keeping it to themselves. The Mare in the Moon story shifted this aspect onto Luna, to make her look like the corrupted one. The Luna clone (the Luna we see in the show) was given the false memory that was the Mare in the Moon story by Celestia to make sure that the lie wouldn't be exposed, and her agenda would continue to be fulfilled without interruption... What do you think of this theory?
  4. I became a brony around when the first Equestria Girls movie came out in mid 2013. And when I first watched it, I noticed that its plot and execution is almost identical to the first 2 episodes of Friendship is Magic, Friendship is Magic, Part 1 and Friendship is Magic, Part 2. Here's my theory: The Equestria Girls universe is the real Friendship is Magic universe, while the Friendship is Magic show we all know and love is what Twilight is writing in her diary every day. The show is probably how Twilight is presenting her experiences, adding various concepts to make the diary entries more interesting. These are the things that both the movie and the first 2 episodes of the show had in common: ▶ Twilight enters a new environment that's outside of her comfort zone ▶ Twilight has to make new friends that ▶ Twilight has a hard time fitting in at first ▶ Twilight has to get the McGuffin. However, the antagonist for both are different: Nightmare Moon for the show, Sunset Shimmer for the movie. Again, the show is being told from Twilight point of view, so a few things in the show and movies won't be identical. If this is theory, then Twilight would've been transferred to Canterlot High School from her previous school when she moved. Being in a new school, she's nervous and being in a new and unfamiliar environment. When talking with Celestia as an attempt to learn more about the school so she won't feel so alien. And when Celestia mentioned the a crown for the school dance, Twilight saw this as an opportunity to gain respect and acknowledgement. Sunset, being the most popular girl in the school (portrayed as the school bully in the diary entries) didn't want to be replaced, so she thought of how to get rid of any competition. But after a few days, Twilight was still feeling like she didn't belong or if anypony cared, but Celestia suggested that she go make some friends, but Twilight was a bit nervous to introduced herself, but she remembered that, if she befriended the right individuals, she'd had an easier time in getting the crown and becoming the princess of the school dance. Sunset wasn't having any of that and tried to make Twilight look bad so she wouldn't be allowed to apply for school dance princess, but Twilight's friends managed to clear her name. So, what do you think of this theory? I know it sounds like the "it's all in their head" cliché, but this theory is supposed to explain that the Equestria Girlsmovies is the real MLP universe, and the show is what Twilight is writing in her diary but soon makes the diary into a book of stories to entertain herself The rest of the Mane Six also enjoyed reading these stories, and Twilight let them write their own contributing stories, which translates as each of the Mane Six having their own episode in the series. Several concepts and characters from the show were either based on something/somepony or made up entirely for the stories that were being written.
  5. EpicEnergy

    My Season 8 Theories

    "My Season 8 Theories" by AnalyticalGamer Warning! contains season 8 spoilers Introduction This post contains all my current season 8 theories based on the released episodes. Note that only half of season 8 has been released, so I may post more theories during or at the end of the second half of season 8 depending on the circumstances. While I call them all theories, there are a few that are more of facts that have been gained through observations rather than theories, and I will be sure to point this out. I also will use some canonical information that will assist in developing my theories. You might notice how I state a fact or use some canonical information then place a portion of my theory right in with it for it to make sense – I will do the best I can to distinguish my theories from these facts and information, but I might make a mistake or be unclear, so please point anything out where I messed up. One last thing before I begin, most of these theories basically fill in the holes that My Little Pony S8 left unfilled and provide potential explanations to these unstated concepts. Feel welcome to expound on my theories and share your own! Theory 1: Why Ember is Angrier in Season 8 than the Previous Seasons Before I begin, I must explain a concept that will assist in my theory's development; also, this concept is more of a fact rather than a theory. Obviously, there is a time gap between the Movie and S8, because (1) the School of Friendship suddenly appears, (2) the pirates re-build their ship, and (3) the kingdom of the Hippogriffs is rebuilt. I have no idea how long the time gap is, but I will say that it probably ranges from 1 week to 1 year. With that being said, I shall now move on to my theory. Why does Ember act angrier in season 8 (episodes 1 and 2 in particular)? I think there is a background to this – something happened to her before she was first seen in S8 ep 1. In the time gap I previously explained, I theorize that something happened in the dragon-land – something that irritated Ember. I would say that a fight occurred since Ember was trying to enforce a new rule that the dragons must share their feelings with each other to become friends (S7 ep 15), and this probably backfired making them fight even more. She said it herself, competing is in their nature, and I don't think any-creature would change that easily, especially dragons. After this occurred, I think Smolder put up a small fight and was highly reluctant to go to the School of Friendship, making Ember even more angry. On top of all that, she gets offended by Neighsay which makes her even more frustrated. The result is an increase of hostility and anger that was set off as soon as Neighsay revealed his 'speciesism'. Theory 2 Part 1: How the Hippogriff Pearl Works I was thinking how every single Hippogriff possessed one very small fraction of the pearl, and a few questions came to my mind. How many pieces are left? What does the Queen do when she is out of the pieces and new baby Hippogriffs are born? Are there more pearls out there? I will provide a theory to answer these questions, but there are more possibilities out there. I don't know how many pieces are left, but I will assume at least a few since every single Hippogriff seen already has one (except the children); furthermore, I assume that because it is very unlikely to have just enough pieces of the same size for every single Hippogriff. The second answer is the answer to both the second and third questions. I theorize that there are more pearls that have similar characteristics to the one we saw in the Movie. This would mean that the Queen doesn't need to worry about running out of pearl shards and new baby hippogriffs being unable to change forms. On the negative side, multiple pearls would also pose a slight danger and responsibility to the hippogriffs, as there are more pearls to protect from those who would want to use those pearls for evil and selfish purposes. Theory 2 Part 2: How Hippogriff Children Earn Their Necklaces I re-watched episode 6 about a week and a half after it aired, and something sparked my attention – why did no child hippogriff had a necklace? This leads me to my final part of my theory. I think that the children hippogriffs must earn their necklaces, just like how a child pony must earn his or her cutie mark. This would mean that Terramar was not in a position that is comparable to that of earning a cutie mark because he would have already earned his necklace. This final question that comes up about this part of my theory – how do hippogriffs earn their necklaces? I think the simple answer is that they must wait until they become old enough. Of course, this answer would mean that hippogriffs earning their necklaces are not like ponies earning their cutie marks in the sense that there is no special talent to be earned; rather, a special privilege is received at a certain age. Theory 3: Celestia is Immune to Phoenix Feathers According to season 8 episode 11, ponies' ears clog up when exposed to phoenix feathers. This makes me wonder...since Celestia has a pet phoenix, does she ever have clogged up ears from this? Not as far as we know of, so I theorize that Celestia is immune to the phoenix feather effects. Celestia has the power to raise the sun, and phoenixes have sun-like abilities as well, which would render their feathers' effects as harmless to Celestia. One question arises from this theory – is this immunity only for Celestia, or do all alicorns possess it? I think it is only for Celestia. I say this because alicorns are like unicorns when it comes to magic, and Rarity was affected by phoenix feathers. Also, alicorns are ponies and Zecora most likely was referring to pony-kind in general when she said that ponies' ears clog up from phoenix feathers.
  6. For many years, MLP has does us that "friendship is magic" (roll credits XD), but is it really? I have reason to believe that, ever since we've started watching Friendship is Magic, Celestia has been lying and manipulating everypony, and even us! "Celestia is a great princess and leader, and she'd never plan a conspiracy!" you may be typing right now. Well, I'm sorry to tell you, but Celestia hasn't been honest with anypony, and I'm gonna expose her! First, have you noticed that, whenever the Cutie Map summons a number of the Mane Six to an area, they try to make the inhabitants of said area to become friends with them, it would even forced on the inhabitants of the area, while disregarding their objections and their own ways of life and beliefs. If they turn down the friendship offer, the Mane Six treat them like they're wrong and the bad guy for refusing the offer, basically shaming them. However, if they accept the offer, it's always after the Mane Six solve a problem they've been dealing with for some time, and they appear to be more willing to do what the Mane Six ask of them. In case you didn't put the pieces together so far, basically, the friendship bond that the Mane Six try to make others apply makes them more submissive to authority, Celestia, in this case. Speaking of Celestia, when she tells the Mane Six what to do and where to go, if you pay close attention to it, it sounds like Celestia knows more about the area she's sending the Mane Six to than she's saying, even using the "but I don't know much about this area" card so she doesn't look suspicious. This part of the episode may seem like exposition and Celestia giving the Mane Six some info about the area they're going to and some warnings, but it seems more like instructions. When take this into consideration, it's quite possible that Celestia herself controls the Cutie Map. "Okay, but what's Celestia's 'agenda,' as you're claiming she has?" you're asking. Celestia's agenda is about expanding her kingdom by using the concept of friendship make other more submissive and obedient to her rule and authority. If you're friends with somepony, you'll lower your guard and be more open to them, and this, in turn, makes you more likely to do something if they ask you. Believe it or not, we have an example of Celestia's agenda being take into effect: The Crystal Empire. In The Crystal Empire, Part 1, Celestia explains the Crystal Empire to Twilight, but if you take a closer look at Celestia story, you can tell that it doesn't sound right and maybe even fabricated. She says that King Sombra was an evil king that enslaved his people. But I ask you, what proof do we have of that, outside of Celestia's story? We don't. So, this was just a story Celestia told Twilight so she'll be biased, supportive, and obedient to Celestia's instructions. So, yeah, Celestia's story of King Sombra is just that, a story. Celestia said that her knowledge of the Crystal Empire "was very limited," but I don't think this is true. So, prior to Cadance 's and Shining's journey to the Crystal Empire, Celestia gave Cadance a memory-wiping spell and a false memory spell to use on the Crystal Ponies. The memory-wiping spell was used so the Crystal Ponies would forget the good things King Sombra has done for them, and the false memory spell was used to implant the false memory that King Sombra was an evil king that enslaved his people into the Crystal Ponies' minds. When a Crystal Pony asked Twilight, "Were we really gone 1000 years?" she then appears to be in pain after she asked and we see some creepy eyes show up as a mental image, which appear to be Sombra's, and this was a failsafe of the spells that were put on the Crystal Ponies and activates whenever they question what they've been told about their past. This was the spells' way of saying, "Do not question what you've been told!" And those eyes may actually be Celestia's because we've seen her eyes like this before, when she was giving Twilight instructions prior to arriving at the Crystal Empire. Also, the Sombra we see in episodes The Crystal Empire, Parts 1 & 2 may actually have been an illusion that Celestia (or Cadence) made to make it look like her fictitious story was true. This way, the Crystal Ponies will be more willing and likely to accept Cadence and Shining as they're new rulers because it was staged to look like they were being rescued. And it's possible that the original King Sombra (who was a good king and supportive of his people) was murdered when Cadance and Shining arrived at the Crystal Empire, and the "gone for 1000 years" bit may have been a part of the false memory spell. But after all is said and done, it's not really Shining and Cadence that's ruling the Crystal Empire, it's actually Celestia.With Cadence in charge, Celestia can rule the Crystal Empire through Cadence by giving her instructions under the table and behind closed doors.The Mane Six are completely unaware that Celestia is using friendship to brainwash others.By only showing the Mane Six the positives of friendship, Celestia can manipulate them to do her bidding with getting her hooves dirty.And Celestia may really a queen and uses the "princess" title to make her seem more harmless so nopony would suspect her of any conspiracy. I wouldn't put it past her of unleashing or creating some of the enemies the Mane Six come across to distract them so they wouldn't think to look at Celestia as the source of these problems. This way, Celestia won't get caught and her agenda can be fulfilled without being noticed. So, what do you think of this theory? Is Celestia really a kind princess of Equestria, or is that merely a façade to mask her agenda?
  7. Even though this is mostly season 6 material, it is important right now as the return of Queen Chrysalis is still potential in future seasons. Note that I refer to the ancient dark stone as a stone – not Chrysalis's throne, since her throne is just that. Another fact to note: other than the MLP TV show, I have not used or am aware of any other source of the following information; if you know of someone who has additional information, please contact me. Also, if you see an error in the information and ideas I have presented, or if you can expand and build on my ideas, then please comment away to your heart's content. Warning: season 6 finale spoilers!!! (I had to say that just in case, I hate being a spoiler) I begin with a quote: "Nothing other than changeling magic works here. Chrysalis's throne is carved from an ancient dark stone that soaks up outside magic the same way changelings soak up love" - Thorax (MLP season 6, episode 26). This statement provokes various ideas, questions, answers, and theories about this "ancient dark stone". 1. - Somehow, either the stone's power doesn't affect changeling magic, or Chrysalis altered it to produce that result. My Theory: I think that changeling magic is either naturally immune or naturally in sync with the dark stone's power, and that no alteration of the stone or its power was necessary. 2. - Does this ancient dark stone have some remains that were left after it was carved that still counters magic, and are there more of these dark stones located somewhere? My Theory: I think that the remainder of the stone if any was rendered powerless, since it is obvious that once the dark stone was destroyed at the end of episode 26 it lost its ability to absorb magic. However, I think there are more of these ancient dark stones somewhere out there (because Thorax says, "Chrysalis's throne is carved from an ancient dark stone", not the ancient dark stone), and that Chrysalis may know where they are and intends to use them for her benefit as she returns for her ultimate revenge. 3. - Does the stone itself contain this counter-magic power, or did Chrysalis alter or infuse it to produce the anti-magic results? My Theory: I think the power in the stone is natural, and that the only thing Chrysalis altered was the shape of it (and that this did not affect its power in any way). 4. - Does this stone grow more powerful as it soaks up more and more magic, just like the changelings (or at least Chrysalis) become stronger as they soak up more and more love? My Theory: This is based on the above statement made by Thorax (" ancient dark stone that soaks up outside magic the same way changelings soak up love"). Therefore, I think that the stone's power grows as it absorbs more and more magic. Conclusion: with these ideas, questions, answers, and theories, one can come up with a general idea of the nature of this ancient dark stone, but they cannot be 100% certain of it – as of now. I have not fully explored and analyzed all potential ideas and theories that can come from this, but I will stick with the four I have come up with for the time being. I am hoping to see the return of these dark stones along with Chrysalis or any other villain in future seasons. Edit: I found a valuable statement regarding stones - "Rocks take different properties when interacting with magic. With the right stone you can rule all of Equestria if you wanted too." - Maud (season 7 episode 4 " Rock Solid Friendship"). However, it is not clear as to whether or not Maud was kidding, and she does do stand-up; although, I don't see why Maud would joke on a matter that could be very serious. That is my interpretation though, but the end of the statement was true (whether Maud was joking or not) and is exactly what happened in the season 6 finale - Chrysalis was for a moment ruling all of Equestria and no magic ,other than changeling magic, could stop her as long as her throne remained intact.
  8. TheZorotlThing

    MLP What If theories

    So I currently run a series on my YouTube channel called the MLP What If theories and I want to know what you all think. What If Twilight Sparkle Was Rejected From Magic School Part One: What If Sunset Shimmer Defeated The Mane Six:
  9. I have started a group to expose EqD for the lying scum they are. They have been touting this "Sethisto" person as a real individual when in fact, the "Sethisto" you see at conventions is nothing more than an actor paid by Calpain to take the blame when things are tough. Proof: 1) No one can make that many spelling mistakes and not realize it. This is obviously a ploy by Calpain to make Sethisto look like the dumb leader who can't be bothered. Calpain has tried his best to make it seem as if Seth is an entity of his own by giving him a personality. 2) No one can actually like Trixie without projectile vomiting. Time and time again I have heard of individuals going to the hospital for saying Trixie is best pony and meaning it, yet, Sethisto has no signs of any symptoms when he does so at conventions. He is clearly reading from a script written by Calpain just to push even further the fact that Sethisto might be "eccentric" or "totally real". 3) Look at this man Big bucks was paid to have this sad soul don this outfit in public. Calpain has scoured funds across every couch he has as well as every couch his relatives have to procure enough to make the actor above humiliate himself for our viewing pleasure. You can see the pain in his eyes. Need I say more? I need more evidence men. Make sure you give it solid backing so we can force EqD into revealing the truth.