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Should racist/bigots in the fandom be exposed?

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52 minutes ago, Friendship is Horses said:

I for one would like to take a bold stance against racism. This will of course be immediately challenged by the pro-discrimination faction, for which there is still much public support.

I don't take a "bold stance" against it because most people lump in various different groups in under the "racism" umbrella.

Would someone who is a white/black/Asian supremacist be a racist? Sure. But then people also would lump in racial nationalism and identitarianism in with racism, all because they don't support the multicultural dystopia that is the modern Western world, and in the case of racial nationalism would like to just form their own ethnostate. I don't see a problem with peacefully forming a white or black ethnostate.

 

And what "pro-discrimination faction" are you referring to?

 

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>"I'm not a racist, I swear!"

>Doesn't want to live with other people who are only slightly off of his perceived self-heritage never mind it's the least important thing ever.

 

Learn to live with people fam.

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>Slightly off
A lot of people are more than "slightly off" my heritage.

I already live among other people and I am used to it, but it doesn't mean that it's wrong to have in-group preference. Every other group has it.

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3 minutes ago, Nile Komnenos said:

What's your group?

The anti-discriminationalists group.

Everyone is allowed to join, except bigots. :tada:

*reads all the accusations that sprang up since last night*

Also, did I miss something?

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11 minutes ago, InfiniteDays said:

Racist's don't usually think they're racist. Face it, you are racist. Stop hiding behind culture.

I'm against culture, I'm not against race. I don't mind living in a multi-racial society, but I would much rather that society be a conservative, Christian society.

I wouldn't mind a white society either, but not if it was liberal and atheist like we have in the West today. This is what you get wrong.

Now would I enjoy a white, conservative Christian society? Yes, but if I don't have that then I will have a multi-racial society that also believes like me. I have my beliefs, but I'm pragmatic about it.

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So you just admitted to being racist. You're using culture as a substitute. We're not stupid. This is like the whole 'kill the indian, save the man' rhetoric used on Native Americans in the past.

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If that's what you think, I can't convince you otherwise. You're too ingrained in liberal ideology to have any understanding of the subject.

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1 hour ago, Nile Komnenos said:

I'm against culture, I'm not against race. I don't mind living in a multi-racial society, but I would much rather that society be a conservative, Christian society.

I wouldn't mind a white society either, but not if it was liberal and atheist like we have in the West today. This is what you get wrong.

Now would I enjoy a white, conservative Christian society? Yes, but if I don't have that then I will have a multi-racial society that also believes like me. I have my beliefs, but I'm pragmatic about it.

So that we're clear, what's your first choice for a society in which to live? Conservative White Christian, Conservative Multiracial Christian?

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1 minute ago, ABronyAccount said:

So that we're clear, what's your first choice for a society in which to live? Conservative White Christian, Conservative Multiracial Christian?

I'd prefer the former, however any real conservative Christian society in today's world isn't going to be white. Ironically Africa and the Middle East are more ideologically similar to me in that regard.

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I have to say, putting a specific racial preference in front of the kind of society you'd like to live in is kinda racist.

I live in the Southern part of the USA, you may have heard a thing or two about our long-lasting, systemic problems with racial preferencing. I'm not trying to attack your position from some kind of liberal atheist tack. I see all around me what racial segregation of varying levels (institutional, self-enforced, etc.) has created. It has not created a healthy society that treats its members with mutual respect and brotherhood, despite all the conservative Christian professions of faith in the world.

When you accept the attitude that "everybody is more comfortable around people of their own kind" as some sort of natural (even laudable) mindset, you're ceding ground to the greatest criminal tendency our species has: to separate into "us" versus "them," which is inherently an unequal worldview.

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14 minutes ago, ABronyAccount said:

I have to say, putting a specific racial preference in front of the kind of society you'd like to live in is kinda racist.

I live in the Southern part of the USA, you may have heard a thing or two about our long-lasting, systemic problems with racial preferencing. I'm not trying to attack your position from some kind of liberal atheist tack. I see all around me what racial segregation of varying levels (institutional, self-enforced, etc.) has created. It has not created a healthy society that treats its members with mutual respect and brotherhood, despite all the conservative Christian professions of faith in the world.

When you accept the attitude that "everybody is more comfortable around people of their own kind" as some sort of natural (even laudable) mindset, you're ceding ground to the greatest criminal tendency our species has: to separate into "us" versus "them," which is inherently an unequal worldview.

If you would want an ideal, multi-racial society that even I would agree is good, you're gonna have to do away with the idea that all cultures are equal.

Having one unified culture, (most preferably) one unified faith among the people would be good if you want to keep social cohesion together. In the southwestern United States you have problems of communities ostracizing people for not speaking Spanish, despite them living in a country where English is clearly the most dominant language of the nation.

Same with people from the Middle East and North Africa (MENA). If they were to come to my country to settle, then alright. I would obviously much prefer Christian migrants from lands like Lebanon, Egypt and Syria, but for Islam I wouldn't be so fine with it. But both groups would still have to learn the language of the host nation and live within our system of law.

As far as religion goes, I think liberalism and secularism have done a lot of harm by trying to allow a free-for-all in these nations and not installing a real sense of morality. I'm not for abortion, pornography, same-sex marriage or the promotion of sex just being something done for carnal pleasure. We've lost our way and now a lot of the (in my opinion) civilized world laughs at the West for allowing this kind of behavior to continue. If given the choice between an Islamic state that outlawed these things, vs. the liberal Western countries that allow them, I think I'd rather live under almighty Shariah.

 

Funny enough, if that multi-racial society excludes whites because they don't want to adopt traditional Western values and despise religion, then I guess they can't come.

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Just now, InfiniteDays said:

Dude, the west is not the best. Slavery, genocide of native people, colonialism, etc

Slavery and genocide of native peoples is not exclusive to the West, neither is colonialism.

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If you would want an ideal, multi-racial society that even I would agree is good, you're gonna have to do away with the idea that all cultures are equal.

The second part seems like a non-sequitur. Race and culture are not the same things, they're two different topics.

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Having one unified culture, (most preferably) one unified faith among the people would be good if you want to keep social cohesion together.

I reject this argument on the grounds that individual people are all different in dispositions, inclinations, etc. There's never going to be a society so unified behind any one concept that it maintains social cohesion. Asking for something akin to it is a fool's errand because it won't get what you want. That's just not how humans work.
What you're really craving is conformity, under the illusion that it would lead to unity. It won't, because such utter conformity is anathema to humanity. You may as well posit that your ideal society can't be made up of humans, and then ask yourself if it's still something you'd enjoy being part of.

I'm not being prescriptivist here, just descriptivist. I'm trying to let you in on how things work in the real world, rather than how you want them to work. Because in reality, people won't react the way you think they would under your set of preferred circumstances.

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All of my ideas are just things I believe and would prefer, I'm not looking to install policy on how to do all this stuff.

And I think this thread should be moved back onto topic, it's gone off into quite the territory.

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If the topic of the thread is to expose and confront racists and bigots then the above conversation is very much on track. The notion of the racist or the bigot as the subject of the thread is revealed, by Niles, as being presently that.

 

Thematically this is antagonist to the show, which lauds themes of being an open and diverse society and the integration of and Belonging in society of individuals outside of the percieved norm. Since community isn't built from the homogeony of belief or exterior appearance but by the relations of the individual towards one another.

 

The assertion of Niles in the end concludes there isn't any relation between two people if they are opposing. The conclusion is in best of circumstances as Niles is writing it is that opposing positions or """race""" to himself is intolerable.

 

So Niles, tell me again how you're tolerant?

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Christians are to blame for the decline of Christianity. Period.

 

1 Peter 2:12 - “Keep your conduct among the Gentiles honorable, so that when they speak against you as evildoers, they may see your good deeds and glorify God on the day of visitation” 

 

Matthew 5:16 - “In the same way, let your light shine before others, so that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven”

 

Matthew 7:16 - "You will know them by their fruits" 

 

What fruits have you fundamentalists brought to the world lately.....?

 

Answer: An obsession with homosexuality and abortion, at the hypocritical expense of all other concerns; particularly compassion for vulnerable people. This has been noticed. You indeed might be one of a handful of young Christians on this entire site, and it's largely because the younger generation have only experienced a Christianity that has been strip mined of all empathy and reason. A Christianity where forcing Science classes to teach Young Earth Creationism is a higher priority than making sure homeless people don't freeze to death. When we elected a "Born Again Christian" President, the result was George W Bush, whose unjust wars and giveaways to the ultra-wealthy were supported every step of the way by your fellow fundies. The kids noticed that too. To the point where virtually every right wing Alt-Brony I've encountered is an atheist. 

 

And now here you are, further spreading the Good News by proudly declaring that you are a fearful, anti-social curmudgeon. (at best) Anyone who's secularism was forged by negative experiences with Christianity will see your posts and have their cynicism validated. Their rejection of Christ reinforced by the intolerance of one of His followers. Good job! 

 

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Y'all have strayed from the message of Jesus to the message of the Pharisees. The fact that you would pine for life under the most brutal interpretations of Sharia Law instead of a free society speaks volumes. I guess a jizya tax is a small price to pay if the alternative is an exposed nipple or 2 guys holding hands,  eh? 

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