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6 hours ago, Nuke87654 said:

1. The explanation for how the cakes got a pegasus and unicorn foals is poorly done.

I didn't even need any sort of explanation for there being a unicorn and pegasus foal. Hell, that little scene had a bunch of BS 'she cheated on him!' speculation. And that genuinely pissed me off.

 

6 hours ago, Nuke87654 said:

3. The humor in this episode were pretty bad too. I really thought the humor in this episode was one of the series's poorest attempts. Not only did alot of the jokes fell flat, but they repeated many of them just to add further annoyance to it all. An important thing with comedy if that if it failed the first time, repeating it is only going to annoy your audience and be viewed as a sign of laziness or desperation to make it work.

 

We'll agree to disagree on that. ;) Humor is one of the most, if not most subjective, kind of media.

 

6 hours ago, Nuke87654 said:

Conclusion: I hate Baby Cakes. It and the Mysterious Mare Do Well are the two worst episodes of S2 that I have seen yet. Regardless of the development it had for Pinkie Pie, the rest of the episode was poorly done with it's humor and explanations on pony genetics, some unnecessary scenes in it, and the really unlikable babies kills my mood to like this episode. Baby Cakes is easily one of S2's worst episodes and an unfortunate torture porn episode for Pinkie Pie. 

Okay... I personally loved it. I felt it was a damned good lesson, taught well. Pinkie was not her usual season-two asshole self. And I never got the Cake twins being intentionally like that. Hell, for me wanting to hug Pinkie and give her a high-five at the end, this one ranks up near the top of the series for me. Ah, well. :)

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On 2/1/2017 at 3:23 PM, RK_Striker_JK_5 said:

I didn't even need any sort of explanation for there being a unicorn and pegasus foal. Hell, that little scene had a bunch of BS 'she cheated on him!' speculation. And that genuinely pissed me off.

 

We'll agree to disagree on that. ;) Humor is one of the most, if not most subjective, kind of media.

 

Okay... I personally loved it. I felt it was a damned good lesson, taught well. Pinkie was not her usual season-two asshole self. And I never got the Cake twins being intentionally like that. Hell, for me wanting to hug Pinkie and give her a high-five at the end, this one ranks up near the top of the series for me. Ah, well. :)

 

True. It probably would've been better off if it was unexplained cause the way he looked and how poor the explanation was just invited tons of 'she cheated on him' stories.

 

True.

 

The lesson was one of the few things that was good I'll admit. I just didn't like how the babies acted or how it was pretty much a stereotypical babysitter episode where poor babysitter is in way over her head taking care of babies and it was done poorly.

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2 hours ago, Nuke87654 said:

The lesson was one of the few things that was good I'll admit. I just didn't like how the babies acted or how it was pretty much a stereotypical babysitter episode where poor babysitter is in way over her head taking care of babies and it was done poorly.

Ah, I think I see where we conflict here. beyond this episode, I've never really experienced a 'babysitter' episode. So for me, it didn't feel stereotypical.

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Today I'm going to review is the fortieth episode in the Friendship is magic series and  the fourteenth episode in it's Season 2, the Last Roundup. It is written by Amy Keating Rogers and is storyboarded Sabrina Alberghetti and Nicole Wang. 

 

Many flash assets from over a barrel were reused for this episode due to the western setting of Dodge Junction. A deleted scene shows Rarity offering a saddle for Applejack before she takes off which AJ reluctantly accepts. Of course the elephant in the room is the controversy that happened that was one of biggest ones to have happened in the fandom, the censorship of Derpy Hooves. This would involve altering the voice and eyes of the grey pegasus pony in order to placate outcries of folks considering her original voice to be offensive to mentally disabled folks. The brony fandom would react angrily to this as many felt this was removing a huge nod and affection they have for the grey horse that has become sort of their mascot or so. Amy Keating Rogers would add that she originally intended to call Derpy Hooves Ditzy Doo in reference to the name being called out in Winter Wrap Up. Today, the original release and voice of Derpy was removed and is replaced with the edited version that was done by dub director Maggie Vera instead of Tabitha St. Germain of the original. 

 

The gang tries to understand at why Applejack is refusing to return home after the rodeo competition is over and they're doing whatever they can to figure out why.

 

 

Positives:

 

1. Applejack undergoes perhaps one of her most underrated character developments in the entire series. It's a shame that the controversy over Derpy's censorship overshadowed perhaps the best Applejack episode I have seen in these two seasons. This is due to how they characterize the town's love and admiration for her and belief she'll win the rodeo competition to bring home first place and the prize money that she plans on using to repair the settlement's town hall that is in desperate need of it. However, due to the fact she had failed to win first place and the prize money itself, with the appraisal she had garnered from Ponyville, she felt she had to fulfill her promise she made as coming home without any money would shame her immensely. This shows a great characterization in her that she will do whatever it takes to fulfill her promises even at her own inconvenience. At the same time she does hold a certain level of pride in her to the point that she doesn't like to look terrible in front of folks that had so high of expectations of her that she chooses to avoid telling her reason for not coming home to Ponyville which prompts the mane 6 to bring her back however they can.

 

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Soon they found her, she continues to refuse to reveal why she chose to stay in ponyville out of shameful pride and returning home a loser. This would lead to the mane 6 doing their hardest to try to convince AJ to return home until her shameful secret was revealed to them at the climax.

 

 

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There her friends would convince her that while they had high expectations of her winning, they're just as happy seeing her return with her medals, prize money or no. This would help Applejack to realize what she was doing wrong and accept that so long as she has family and friends to help her out in her times of need, there is no shame in defeat, which itself is a good lesson to heed too as well.

 

The Last Roundup really needs to be called as one of AJ's best characterizations in the series simply for how it showed a good side to her willing to ensure that she doesn't disappoint her friends and family as a failure and will still go to great lengths to ensure that they're alright while showing enough flaws in her such as her stubbornness and refusal to reveal why she's not coming back and her pride affecting her decisions to make her characterization great in the episode.

 

 

2. Her friends did a great job too in trying to bring Applejack however they can. What makes this episode all the better is how the remane five had a great performance in trying to bring Applejack to Ponyville however they can. Once they realized AJ was not coming back, they set out immediately to bring her home and sought any sort of lead at the Rodeo stadium to see if they know where she is which all but one said they didn't know. That one lead would lead them to Dodge Junction, another western town of Equestria not far from Canterlot. 

 

There, they would find Applejack on accident and find that the pony herself is doing everything she can to refuse giving them an answer for why she's not returning to Ponyville. Despite her stubborn defense, the remane five refuse to give up and decide to use Pinkie Pie to chat up a storm to annoy AJ till she gives in.

 

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Chimicherrychunga!

 

This causes AJ to finally relent and offer why she's refusing to return to Ponyville in the morning for which her friends accepted under the Pinkie Promise for which AJ would break under a technicality to get away from lying to them much to Pinkie Pie's disappointment and showing off of what happens when someone breaks a pinkie promise.

 

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Save for one instance, I enjoyed Pinkie Pie in the episode and thought she was hilarious. One of her better secondary roles.

 

There after some awesome coach chase segment where the gang finally catches up and exposes AJ's true reason for not returning to Ponyville, their actions to counsel the upset AJ was great as well as it shows of how caring they are for their friend.

The remane five of Twilight Sparkle, Fluttershy, Pinkie Pie especially, Rainbow Dash for her equal stubborness to bring her back, and Rarity deserve praise in this episode for their determined actions to bringing their friend back and especially helping to tell her that they don't care if she didn't won first place, she's still a winner to them and that they care more that she's safe and sound at home where she belongs.

 

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Really nice move on their part, even though despite my praise, their portrayal wasn't perfect for which I'll list below soon.

 

3. We had a 'I love Lucy' scene reference in the Last Roundup and a possible Deadpool reference used here too. 

 

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This rather famed scene from the classic tv series was paid homage here from the show where Fluttershy and Pinkie Pie try their hardest to sort the cherries out as AJ churns out more and more at an incremental pace as she grows increasingly pissed off at them asking her questions on why she's not coming back to Ponyville.

 

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Meanwhile Dashie being cute at AJ's answer that she met some ponies she idolizes.

 

 

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While probably unintentional, I think this was also to paint a reference for Deadpool's love for Chimichungas. Fun fact, this was referenced in the Deadpool vs. Pinkie Pie deathbattle.

 

This is some fun references used here for humor and I give props for delighting me for it here.

 

 

4. I enjoyed the coach chase scene shown in the episode.

 

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This not only paid even more homages to the west with how many westerns would end with some climatic chase scene or so to catch the culprit or so before they escape. Sprinkle it with good humor like them trying to bribe AJ's rides to outrun em or slow down and we have an excellent climax to enjoy in this episode and a better made western homage than their last attempt.

 

 

5. We get a bit more worldbuilding in another western town called Dodge Junction. This episode also showed another western town in Equestria in Dodge Junction where it seems to be taken itself more as trading post of sorts where it's proximity to Equestria's rail line would give it a good role to deliver goods throughout the town. One thing of note that through Cherry Jubilee, they deliver cherry crops throughout Equestria which would make the rail line all the more convenient for the town to sell their cherries out to Equestria for sell.

 

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6. As mentioned before, I did liked the episode's lesson. The episode's lesson that there is no shame to admit defeat when you lose something you wanted to win and that it's important to confide to your friends and family who will help ease your pain of the loss. Trying to run away from it won't do you good.

 

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Negatives:

 

1. The gang left Pinkie Pie and Rarity behind for which they were forced to ride back to Ponyville on their own. 

 

As I said before, the remane five's performance while good wasn't perfect. This started with Pinkie Pie knocking Rarity down to the ground without giving a proper warning for which Rainbow Dash refused to go back as they needed to get AJ down first. While understandable in her decision, the episode instead of having the gang travel back to Ponyville together, they left Pinkie Pie and Rarity to travel back there however they can.

 

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This was pretty dickish move by the gang to essentially leave Pinkie Pie and Rarity behind after they got AJ and not try to bring them back with them to Ponyville. It's pretty thoughtless of them because what happens they get lost or worse harmed by whatever is out there in the west?

 

 

2. The censorship on Derpy Hooves was a poor choice on Hasbro's part to kotow to the controversy. 

 

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And of course I'm going to talk about is the controversy that enveloped the episode was Derpy Hooves getting censored by not only having her voice changed to a generic voice but also having her eyes being less cross eyed to make it less offensive to folks crying that it was offensive to mentally disabled folks. This I felt was foolish considering the writer, Amy Keating Rogers has a special needs child, so why she would write such an intention? Also, considering how harmless this actually was and whatever inflection folks thought it was due to the original va in Tabitha St. Germain believing she was voicing a male character so tried for a deeper tone, this just felt like folks overreacting it for the sake of just wanting to be offended at something for attention. Fortunately, in S5, Tabitha was given another chance to voice Derpy Hooves and showed a version that was essentially a more feminine version of the original voice with no one complaining about it. Thus this shows that ultimately, Hasbro probably shouldn't have bowed to such pressures as it did more to harm them than help. 

 

 

Conclusion: Despite the censorship and the controversy that permeates around this episode, it should be remembered more for being Applejack's best episode in the first two seasons for how well Applejack was characterized to where it shows a good portrayal of her when she meets a point where she wishes to keep the promise to Ponyville she wanted to while at the same time show off her flaws in character being her stubborness and quiet pride she has for herself. The remane five while having a weakness in portrayal with how they ditched Pinkie Pie and Rarity at the end were otherwise good at bringing Applejack back to ponyville and counseling her fears. With good humor, homages, and small world building with the western town of Dodge Junction, you have a very good and underrated Applejack episode to watch for enjoyment.

 

Score: 9.0/10

 

Grade: B+

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48 minutes ago, Nuke87654 said:

Today I'm going to review is the fortieth episode in the Friendship is magic series and  the fourteenth episode in it's Season 2, the Last Roundup. It is written by Amy Keating Rogers and is storyboarded Sabrina Alberghetti and Nicole Wang. 

 

Many flash assets from over a barrel were reused for this episode due to the western setting of Dodge Junction. A deleted scene shows Rarity offering a saddle for Applejack before she takes off which AJ reluctantly accepts. Of course the elephant in the room is the controversy that happened that was one of biggest ones to have happened in the fandom, the censorship of Derpy Hooves. This would involve altering the voice and eyes of the grey pegasus pony in order to placate outcries of folks considering her original voice to be offensive to mentally disabled folks. The brony fandom would react angrily to this as many felt this was removing a huge nod and affection they have for the grey horse that has become sort of their mascot or so. Amy Keating Rogers would add that she originally intended to call Derpy Hooves Ditzy Doo in reference to the name being called out in Winter Wrap Up. Today, the original release and voice of Derpy was removed and is replaced with the edited version that was done by dub director Maggie Vera instead of Tabitha St. Germain of the original. 

 

The gang tries to understand at why Applejack is refusing to return home after the rodeo competition is over and they're doing whatever they can to figure out why.

 

 

Positives:

 

1. Applejack undergoes perhaps one of her most underrated character developments in the entire series. It's a shame that the controversy over Derpy's censorship overshadowed perhaps the best Applejack episode I have seen in these two seasons. This is due to how they characterize the town's love and admiration for her and belief she'll win the rodeo competition to bring home first place and the prize money that she plans on using to repair the settlement's town hall that is in desperate need of it. However, due to the fact she had failed to win first place and the prize money itself, with the appraisal she had garnered from Ponyville, she felt she had to fulfill her promise she made as coming home without any money would shame her immensely. This shows a great characterization in her that she will do whatever it takes to fulfill her promises even at her own inconvenience. At the same time she does hold a certain level of pride in her to the point that she doesn't like to look terrible in front of folks that had so high of expectations of her that she chooses to avoid telling her reason for not coming home to Ponyville which prompts the mane 6 to bring her back however they can.

 

latest?cb=20120915061934  

 

Soon they found her, she continues to refuse to reveal why she chose to stay in ponyville out of shameful pride and returning home a loser. This would lead to the mane 6 doing their hardest to try to convince AJ to return home until her shameful secret was revealed to them at the climax.

 

 

latest?cb=20120806015316

 

There her friends would convince her that while they had high expectations of her winning, they're just as happy seeing her return with her medals, prize money or no. This would help Applejack to realize what she was doing wrong and accept that so long as she has family and friends to help her out in her times of need, there is no shame in defeat, which itself is a good lesson to heed too as well.

 

The Last Roundup really needs to be called as one of AJ's best characterizations in the series simply for how it showed a good side to her willing to ensure that she doesn't disappoint her friends and family as a failure and will still go to great lengths to ensure that they're alright while showing enough flaws in her such as her stubbornness and refusal to reveal why she's not coming back and her pride affecting her decisions to make her characterization great in the episode.

 

 

2. Her friends did a great job too in trying to bring Applejack however they can. What makes this episode all the better is how the remane five had a great performance in trying to bring Applejack to Ponyville however they can. Once they realized AJ was not coming back, they set out immediately to bring her home and sought any sort of lead at the Rodeo stadium to see if they know where she is which all but one said they didn't know. That one lead would lead them to Dodge Junction, another western town of Equestria not far from Canterlot. 

 

There, they would find Applejack on accident and find that the pony herself is doing everything she can to refuse giving them an answer for why she's not returning to Ponyville. Despite her stubborn defense, the remane five refuse to give up and decide to use Pinkie Pie to chat up a storm to annoy AJ till she gives in.

 

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Chimicherrychunga!

 

This causes AJ to finally relent and offer why she's refusing to return to Ponyville in the morning for which her friends accepted under the Pinkie Promise for which AJ would break under a technicality to get away from lying to them much to Pinkie Pie's disappointment and showing off of what happens when someone breaks a pinkie promise.

 

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Save for one instance, I enjoyed Pinkie Pie in the episode and thought she was hilarious. One of her better secondary roles.

 

There after some awesome coach chase segment where the gang finally catches up and exposes AJ's true reason for not returning to Ponyville, their actions to counsel the upset AJ was great as well as it shows of how caring they are for their friend.

The remane five of Twilight Sparkle, Fluttershy, Pinkie Pie especially, Rainbow Dash for her equal stubborness to bring her back, and Rarity deserve praise in this episode for their determined actions to bringing their friend back and especially helping to tell her that they don't care if she didn't won first place, she's still a winner to them and that they care more that she's safe and sound at home where she belongs.

 

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Really nice move on their part, even though despite my praise, their portrayal wasn't perfect for which I'll list below soon.

 

3. We had a 'I love Lucy' scene reference in the Last Roundup and a possible Deadpool reference used here too. 

 

latest?cb=20120120021632

 

This rather famed scene from the classic tv series was paid homage here from the show where Fluttershy and Pinkie Pie try their hardest to sort the cherries out as AJ churns out more and more at an incremental pace as she grows increasingly pissed off at them asking her questions on why she's not coming back to Ponyville.

 

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Meanwhile Dashie being cute at AJ's answer that she met some ponies she idolizes.

 

 

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While probably unintentional, I think this was also to paint a reference for Deadpool's love for Chimichungas. Fun fact, this was referenced in the Deadpool vs. Pinkie Pie deathbattle.

 

This is some fun references used here for humor and I give props for delighting me for it here.

 

 

4. I enjoyed the coach chase scene shown in the episode.

 

latest?cb=20120215133501

 

This not only paid even more homages to the west with how many westerns would end with some climatic chase scene or so to catch the culprit or so before they escape. Sprinkle it with good humor like them trying to bribe AJ's rides to outrun em or slow down and we have an excellent climax to enjoy in this episode and a better made western homage than their last attempt.

 

 

5. We get a bit more worldbuilding in another western town called Dodge Junction. This episode also showed another western town in Equestria in Dodge Junction where it seems to be taken itself more as trading post of sorts where it's proximity to Equestria's rail line would give it a good role to deliver goods throughout the town. One thing of note that through Cherry Jubilee, they deliver cherry crops throughout Equestria which would make the rail line all the more convenient for the town to sell their cherries out to Equestria for sell.

 

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6. As mentioned before, I did liked the episode's lesson. The episode's lesson that there is no shame to admit defeat when you lose something you wanted to win and that it's important to confide to your friends and family who will help ease your pain of the loss. Trying to run away from it won't do you good.

 

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Negatives:

 

1. The gang left Pinkie Pie and Rarity behind for which they were forced to ride back to Ponyville on their own. 

 

As I said before, the remane five's performance while good wasn't perfect. This started with Pinkie Pie knocking Rarity down to the ground without giving a proper warning for which Rainbow Dash refused to go back as they needed to get AJ down first. While understandable in her decision, the episode instead of having the gang travel back to Ponyville together, they left Pinkie Pie and Rarity to travel back there however they can.

 

latest?cb=20140417212607

 

This was pretty dickish move by the gang to essentially leave Pinkie Pie and Rarity behind after they got AJ and not try to bring them back with them to Ponyville. It's pretty thoughtless of them because what happens they get lost or worse harmed by whatever is out there in the west?

 

 

2. The censorship on Derpy Hooves was a poor choice on Hasbro's part to kotow to the controversy. 

 

latest?cb=20120124233124

 

And of course I'm going to talk about is the controversy that enveloped the episode was Derpy Hooves getting censored by not only having her voice changed to a generic voice but also having her eyes being less cross eyed to make it less offensive to folks crying that it was offensive to mentally disabled folks. This I felt was foolish considering the writer, Amy Keating Rogers has a special needs child, so why she would write such an intention? Also, considering how harmless this actually was and whatever inflection folks thought it was due to the original va in Tabitha St. Germain believing she was voicing a male character so tried for a deeper tone, this just felt like folks overreacting it for the sake of just wanting to be offended at something for attention. Fortunately, in S5, Tabitha was given another chance to voice Derpy Hooves and showed a version that was essentially a more feminine version of the original voice with no one complaining about it. Thus this shows that ultimately, Hasbro probably shouldn't have bowed to such pressures as it did more to harm them than help. 

 

 

Conclusion: Despite the censorship and the controversy that permeates around this episode, it should be remembered more for being Applejack's best episode in the first two seasons for how well Applejack was characterized to where it shows a good portrayal of her when she meets a point where she wishes to keep the promise to Ponyville she wanted to while at the same time show off her flaws in character being her stubborness and quiet pride she has for herself. The remane five while having a weakness in portrayal with how they ditched Pinkie Pie and Rarity at the end were otherwise good at bringing Applejack back to ponyville and counseling her fears. With good humor, homages, and small world building with the western town of Dodge Junction, you have a very good and underrated Applejack episode to watch for enjoyment.

 

Score: 9.0/10

 

Grade: B+

 

As someone with (high-functioning) autism myself, I gave absolutely zero bucks about Derpy's original portrayal (save for the voice needing to sound more feminine -- which, like you said, was eventually rectified in Slice Of Life).

 

Also, at least Pinkie and Rarity being ditched at the end gave us this gem:

 

 

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On 2/3/2017 at 4:49 PM, Anti-Villain said:

 

As someone with (high-functioning) autism myself, I gave absolutely zero bucks about Derpy's original portrayal (save for the voice needing to sound more feminine -- which, like you said, was eventually rectified in Slice Of Life).

 

Also, at least Pinkie and Rarity being ditched at the end gave us this gem:

 

 

 

Aye, I may have autism myself and I saw nothing wrong with it and I'm happy they brought the voice back with a femenine inflection to fit the character better.

 

True, I'll give you that there.

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Today's episode that I'm going to review today is the forty first episode in the Friendship is Magic series and the fifteenth episode in it's Season 2, the Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000. It is written by M.A. Larson and storyboarded by Kenny Park and Marshall Elliot. 

 

Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000 narrative is a homage to the fable John Henry vs. The Steam Drill where it tells the tale of manpower vs. machine in a competition to prove which is superior. According to the composer for the episode's music, Stephen Andrews, Cider Horse Rules was the working title for the episode. Originally, the writer M.A. Larson never intended the episode to have a friendship report and wrote it in as a joke he was sure it would be rejected due to how cynical it was. This turned out not to be the case as DHX took the joke as serious and put it in the episode.

 

The Apple Family is put into a tough situation when the Flim Flam Brothers are competing against them for the right to own Sweet Apple Acres in a busy Cider season.

 

 

Positives:

 

1. The Flim Flam Brothers song is catchy as hell and reminds me so much of those old timey musicals. The longest song in the show and the 2nd longest in the series (only EQG's RR's Welcome to the show surpasses this in time), and bearing similarities to the song 'Ya Got Trouble' from the Music Man, it proves to be a winning combination and a great intro for the Flim Flam Brothers as travelling salesponies. With the style and tone of the song to where it enthralled the town of ponyville to even sing along with their song just for the opportunity to get some quality apple cider, and the melodic tenor, you can't help be but yourself entranced by the song too. 

 

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Just look at Dashie and how badly she wants that cider.

 

2. Hooray for innuendo jokes.

 

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This is funny to me.

 

3. I really enjoyed seeing the remane five and Ponyville coming to the Apple Families aid in their hour of need when things were looking bad for them. This is one of the better portrayals the remane five had this season and that's just coming off another stellar one they had last time except this one is perhaps even better. Twilight took command of Rarity, Rainbow Dash, Fluttershy, and Pinkie Pie and set them out to assist the apple family such as Fluttershy knocking trees down to the earth to help AJ, Pinkie Pie helping Applebloom picking up the apples, Rarity helping Grannie Smith to sorting the bad and good apples out, Rainbow Dash assisting Big MacIntosh to move the apple grinder faster, and Twilight single handily moving the barrels to their place with her telekinesis.

 

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They turned into apples to better reflect their change into being members of the apple family.

 

In a great twist of the fable this story is based on as mentioned above, despite their furious effort to help save the Apple Family, the Flim Flam Brothers sacrificing quality control for the sake of producing the most barrels paid off as it granted them their victory proving machine to be superior at producing stuff faster than horsepower could.

 

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Poor Apple family. Note how ponyville is feeling terrible at their loss too.

 

However this would net them zero when Ponyville refuses to drink anymore once their cider proves too bad and grainy for it to be good and they were forced out of town by the angry mob. I would have to give Ponyville credit there too for helping to restore ownership of the Sweet Apple Acres.

 

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Both the remane five and the citizens of Ponyville deserve kudos for either helping the Apple Family win the competition as the Remane five tried or push the Flim Flam brothers out for their bad apple cider as punishment.

 

 

Negatives:

 

1. Pinkie Pie was a prick in the episode towards others and Rainbow Dash for the apple cider. Honestly the more and more I see this from Pinkie Pie, the more I'm convinced that despite what folks want to say about her role in S4, I'd say her worst season was actually S2. This is another reason for that as she not only buys a ton of apple cider all for herself despite knowing of how the Apple family frequently suffers supply problems for folks and how many miss out on it. To make matters worse, she obliviously rubbed it in an upset Rainbow Dash's face about it to which was only infuriating her.

 

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At least we got this from Pinkie handing the cider to Rainbow Dash at the end to mitigate her portrayal at the start.

 

 

2. I didn't like the joke of Rainbow Dash not getting her cider throughout the episode. Now denying someone their most wanted item in an episode is not an uncommon problem and it can actually be used to great affect for comedy when done properly (look to Megas XLR's 'All I wanted as a slushie' as a perfect example of that). Here I felt it failed mainly for how the tone for Rainbow Dash's plight was treated with seriousness instead of being treated as something more over the top and hilarious as Rainbow Dash desperately wanted cider and was getting pissed and desperate for it.

 

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 Her eating dirt just to grab whatever drop of cider that fell just to eat anything doesn't do that joke any favors.

 

In the end I felt it was more of a cruel prank played on poor Rainbow Dash for laughs when she rightfully wanted a cider despite how there were many opportunities for her to have one but denied due to a competition that honestly shouldn't have happened.

 

3. I had many issues with how the Apple Family were characterized and portrayed in the episode as it was cause of their lack of common sense that caused many of the episode's conflicts in the first place. Now this is to me the biggest problem of the episode in being how the Apple Family were characterized as it was cause of their idiocy and incompetence that got them to such problems in the episode in the first place. Their conflict of having to deal with supply shortages has been a common one throughout the years and is one of the big reasons why Ponyville was willing to give the Flim Flam brothers a chance. Considering how at the end the Apple Family remarked that thanks to their hard work to churning out cider in the competition, they have more than enough to fill out for everyone in Ponyville, all I could say is this, WHY DID YOU GUYS NEVER THOUGHT TO ENLIST ANYONE'S AID FOR THE CIDER SEASON IF THAT'S WHAT ALL IT TOOK! I'm sure there were plenty of folks in ponyville that would've loved to help you guys out to fulfill your supply quotas and more, remane five excluded, and you guys could probably even sell them out of ponyville if you had enough. Speaking of which, I had a major problem with this:

 

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You had folks wanting and missing out on the chance for Cider but yet you let Pinkie Pie buy ten ciders for herself! If you had any business savvy, you would've told Pinkie to only buy one and get to the back to let others have a chance to grab one.

 

Finally, they forgot a big reason why there are legal documents for property rights, so that way in case some asshole comes and wants to steal your land, you can tell them to gtfo and have the law on your side. The conflict with the Flim Flam Brothers should've ended like this:

 

Flim: [quietly] Once we drive Sweet Apple Acres out of business.

 

Applejack: How about you get off mah property and never return here.

 

Flim: Wait what about-

 

Applejack: But nothing, you're trespassing our land and if you don't get out of here soon I'll have the authorities to arrest ya and your brother.

 

Flim: Well when you say it like that, um, brother! Let's get out of here!

 

The End

 

But because they never thought to exert their property rights to kick them out as they should have, we had this conflict boil over to where they had to fight for the right to own Sweet Apple Acres that never should've happened. 

 

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How this could all be solved if they remembered on how they legally own the lands and kick anyone out for threatening to take it.

 

 

4. As @ElecManEXE said below, Ponyville also deserves criticism for their behavior towards the Apple Family for essentially being okay for them to get kicked out. This was a revelation to me from below where he makes a fantastic point about the citizens of Ponyville's behavior. Despite my praise for booting the Flim Flam Brothers out, they also essentially were a okay with booting the Apple Family out for the sake of Cider. This stands in stark contrast to the past episodes where they not only were giving huge praises to Applejack, cried about her not returning, but even was founded by the Apple Family with Grannie Smith being one of it's founders and yet they were willing to kick them out of ponyville because the Apples have been bad with supplies of Apple Cider while the Flim Flam Brothers were offering more supplies of Apple Cider to give. Sure this flaw gets mitigated by what they did to help boot them out, but thanks to @ElecManEXE, I'm reminded of their willingness to boot the Apple Family out despite everything they had done for the chance to get drunk with Cider.

 

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All for the sake of cider!

 

5. The lesson at the end was nothing but a cynical smug joke from Applejack that would be considered disrespectful to the intent for the Friendship reports and Celestia. Now I know that it was actually meant to be a joke that M.A. Larson never intended to put into the episode until DHX thought it was serious and put it in there so the bigger blame does not fall on M.A. Larson for it. While this was done in jest from AJ, but considering whom she's speaking to and especially how she said the friendship reports should be sent if they learned any friendship lessons or so which she admits she didn't learned anything, it was just purely AJ bragging to Celestia of how her beliefs were right all along. This cynical joke left a rather poor taste in AJ's behavior at the end of it. 

 

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To Cider, the cause and answer to every life's problem!

 

 

Conclusion: Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000 is for me one of M.A. Larson's worst episodes he's written for the series in my honest opinion. Despite how great the remane five and a bit on Ponyville were to helping and saving the Apple Family and their farm for them and how catchy the Flim Flam Brothers song is, alot of the conflicts in the episode shouldn't have happened if the Apple Family displayed any sort of logical step to their problems such as enlisting aid to help them harvest more for the cider season to solve their supply shortages and use the fact they own the Sweet Apple Acres lands to kick out the Flim Flam Brothers when they were threatening them. Coupled with another annoyingly bad outing for Pinkie Pie, Ponyville willing to ditch the Apple Family they had cherished before for the sake of Cider, a poor joke played on Rainbow Dash's need for cider, and a smug AJ at the end for a pointless friendship report left me with a poor taste for this episode.

 

Score: 5.0/10

 

Grade: F

 

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ElecManEXE has shown me a flaw that I missed and I wish to correct that and show a change in score for it.
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I noticed two flaws of the Flim-Flam Brothers in that episode:

1. A good competitor would never give their opponent an advantage, even if they think the advantage is slight or negligible. The Flim Flam Brothers allowed the AJ family to get help from the ReMane Five, without making a deal or even showing any sign of reluctance. Have they not realized that even a machine has its limits, and that manual labor can possibly be more productive if the number of workers is large enough? Either they were being kind (which would be inconsistent with their con-artist character), they were being incompetent businessmen, or they were being too arrogant.

 

2.  The Flim Flm Brothers knew that they had to turn off quality control in order to increase production rate. After they won the competition, why couldn't they just give the good cider they made before turning off quality control? We can't say that the good cider was mixed with the bad, because they were stored in separate barrels. We can't say that you had to taste the cider in order to notice the poor quality, because there were noticeably large pebbles in the cider. This, to me, is an even a bigger blunder on the Brothers' part than #1. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I like the Flim-Flam Brothers; I like their charisma and their singing. I never watched The Music Man, prior to watching this episode, but the Flim-Flam Brothers did remind me of this:

 

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31 minutes ago, ChB said:

@Nuke87654 

I noticed two flaws of the Flim-Flam Brothers:

1. A good competitor would never give their opponent an advantage, even if they think the advantage is slight or negligible. The Flim Flam Brothers allowed the AJ family to get help from the ReMane Five, without making a deal or even showing any sign of reluctance. Have they not realized that even a machine has its limits, and that manual labor can possibly be more productive if the number of workers is large enough? Either they were being kind (which would be inconsistent with their con-artist character), they were being incompetent businessmen, or they were being too arrogant.

 

2.  The Flim Flm Brothers knew that they had to turn off quality control in order to increase production rate. After they won the competition, why couldn't they just give the good cider they made before turning off quality control? We can't say that the good cider was mixed with the bad, because they were stored in separate barrels. We can't say that you had to taste the cider in order to notice the poor quality, because there were noticeably large pebbles in the cider. This, to me, is an even a bigger blunder on the Brothers' part than #1. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I like the Flim-Flam Brothers; I like their charisma and their singing. I never watched The Music Man, prior to watching this episode, but the Flim-Flam Brothers did remind me of this:

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1. They were being too arrogant as their words express it:

 

Flim: Are you kidding?

Flam: We don't care if the whole kingdom of Canterlot helps. It's a lost cause.

 

I don't view it as a problem with the episode as arrogance can be considered a character trait which I found accepting considering how they acted belligerently towards the Apple Family. You're correct that good competitors would not allow them to compete to prohibit any advantage to be given to their foes, which they are not.

 

2. True, but here I feel it's probably more of  a case that they had forgotten which barrel was good and probably couldn't just grab the good barrels from the bottom without putting more work in to ensure the stacks don't collapse. At that moment, they just wanted to revel in their victory but underestimated at how bad their products were without quality control in place.

 

They did remind me of the simpsons monorail episode (great one too). As for their characters they work fine enough in an episode and their songs are probably their best attributes but other than being slimy businessmen turned conmen, I wouldn't exactly call them endearing villains either compared to the rogues gallery.

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Ugh, this episode. Easily one of my least favorite episodes. It makes no darned sense. Though oddly enough, despite both you and I not liking it, its for different reasons.

In literally the very episode before this one, the entire town of Ponyville is celebrating how great AJ is and is devastated when its revealed she might not be coming home. And its not even the only episode that shows how much everyone in town loves and depends on AJ and the Apples. I don't think it'd be much of an exaggeration to say the Apples are one of the most famous and well-liked families in Ponyville.

And here? They're willing to let a couple of con-ponies badmouth and threaten not only AJ but the entire Apple family, even so far as threatening to run them out of town? For... cider!? What. The. Hay. And hey, how 'bout those best friends of yours? Sure, they might come to your aid during the contest (only once it becomes clear you're going to lose otherwise), but even they're more than happy to just let Flim and Flam and the other townsponies badmouth the Apples for cider shortages. Some even joining in themselves. Sure, you can see some worry and remorse on the townsponies after F+F win, but up until that point its just been "F the Apples, CIDER!!!". And technically they don't even run Flim and Flam out of town in the end, they just say they aren't buying their poor-quality crap.

Yeah, they're con artists and getting people to do things they wouldn't normally through fast-talk and deception is their thing. But this is just way too much, especially to be working in a small town like Ponyville that is said to be "one of the friendliest places in Equestria".

I actually liked the "I didn't learn anything" bit at the end. I thought it was an interesting take on the letter concept, having a lesson already known simply reinforced rather than always needing to learn something completely new. And AJ was the only one that didn't go completely insane in this episode, so...

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@Nuke87654This is why I usually complain about premises. They are the first block you lay on a story and if it's weak, your whole story is at risk of falling apart.

The episode introduces the idea of the cider and then the premise of the whole episode is 'villains, representing corporate interest, come to town to ruin local, familiar business by taking away the 'soul' of the whole operation'. Personally, I can get behind this idea, in the idealistic level. Not because I think that corporations are bad, but because, by themselves, they are amoral and don't care what dreams and lives they squash in their path.

The problem is that what really happens in the episode is this: 'two stupid villains come to Ponyville with a stupid proposition that business savvy people should laugh at, but Applejack is an idiot, Ponyvillians are idiots, and no one seems to think that the whole competition is idiotic and isn't helping anyone'.

In a world of sanity, what would've happened is that the Apples and the Flim Flam Brothers would've made a deal that would've benefited both parties and the costumers, made a lot of money and good cider for everyone. But then we wouldn't have a conflict would we? Therefore, instead of writing another story that would fit the realm of sanity, we make characters act stupid. And then we force a resolution that makes no sense because we can't admit that we screwed up at square one. And it's painful to watch, because I know that the people involved can do better.

This is what I mean when I say that MLP ought to respect itself more. Sometimes it's too simplistic for the subject it's trying to tackle, other times it tries too hard. It's like a rocket trying to reach orbit, but lacks fuel to reach escape velocity, because they couldn't use proper fuel: either it burned too fast or too slow. The brothers fail as a foil because they didn't really do anything wrong or contrary to what AJ usually does in the basic idea, only after that nonsense about splitting profits that things fall apart. It falls to contrivance to create the conflict and because of that, it's the script that must contrive, again, a condition for a satisfactory resolution.

This was so easy to fix. Make the idea of splitting profits more reasonable and then, maybe the machine was causing some damage that would incapacitate them from making cider next season. Maybe the machine required an undue amount of energy and was harming someone. Or if you must go into the competition, the machine, just plain and simple, couldn't keep up with the Apples' passion and was making less cider without the need to introduce this idea of the quality control. Or perhaps it's produce was of inferior quality to begin with. This idea of quality control only serves to add unnecessary arrogance to the character and to add another element that didn't need to be there.

And then there is that joke about Rainbow Dash never getting cider. They say that comedy thrives on tragedy. This is kinda true, and taste in comedy is very personal, but if the character is suffering without need, for no reason other than making the character suffer and through no fault of it's own... Don't we call this abuse in this fandom?

 

EDIT: maybe I'm being too hard, because this is the episode that introduced the two brothers and we don't really know them. It's just painful because the whole only goes wrong because of these details.

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1 hour ago, ElecManEXE said:

Ugh, this episode. Easily one of my least favorite episodes. It makes no darned sense. Though oddly enough, despite both you and I not liking it, its for different reasons.

In literally the very episode before this one, the entire town of Ponyville is celebrating how great AJ is and is devastated when its revealed she might not be coming home. And its not even the only episode that shows how much everyone in town loves and depends on AJ and the Apples. I don't think it'd be much of an exaggeration to say the Apples are one of the most famous and well-liked families in Ponyville.

And here? They're willing to let a couple of con-ponies badmouth and threaten not only AJ but the entire Apple family, even so far as threatening to run them out of town? For... cider!? What. The. Hay. And hey, how 'bout those best friends of yours? Sure, they might come to your aid during the contest (only once it becomes clear you're going to lose otherwise), but even they're more than happy to just let Flim and Flam and the other townsponies badmouth the Apples for cider shortages. Some even joining in themselves. Sure, you can see some worry and remorse on the townsponies after F+F win, but up until that point its just been "F the Apples, CIDER!!!". And technically they don't even run Flim and Flam out of town in the end, they just say they aren't buying their poor-quality crap.

Yeah, they're con artists and getting people to do things they wouldn't normally through fast-talk and deception is their thing. But this is just way too much, especially to be working in a small town like Ponyville that is said to be "one of the friendliest places in Equestria".

I actually liked the "I didn't learn anything" bit at the end. I thought it was an interesting take on the letter concept, having a lesson already known simply reinforced rather than always needing to learn something completely new. And AJ was the only one that didn't go completely insane in this episode, so...

Now that you mentioned it, that actually does make a great point of how Ponyville had essentially was willing to throw the Apple family out despite their previous praise of the Apples before hand all for the sake of Cider. I'll mend it in your name.

 

As for Twilight and friends, it was actually shown that throughout the thing that Twilight was showing concern for the Apple Family and asked if it was a good idea or so to compete with them. With the exception of Rainbow Dash who had a right to complain for Cider, we can presume that they were probably counseling the Apple Family and asking if it was such a good idea for which they had said yea or they're concerned about it. Thus I wouldn't say the remane five here didn't cared about the Apple Family either, save for a pissed off Rainbow Dash which she even quickly came to their aid when Twilight suggested that they do so so I'd say she wasn't too mad.

 

Still you made a good point here and reveleation that I'll need to amend, ty.

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1 hour ago, Metemponychosis said:

@Nuke87654This is why I usually complain about premises. They are the first block you lay on a story and if it's weak, your whole story is at risk of falling apart.

The episode introduces the idea of the cider and then the premise of the whole episode is 'villains, representing corporate interest, come to town to ruin local, familiar business by taking away the 'soul' of the whole operation'. Personally, I can get behind this idea, in the idealistic level. Not because I think that corporations are bad, but because, by themselves, they are amoral and don't care what dreams and lives they squash in their path.

The problem is that what really happens in the episode is this: 'two stupid villains come to Ponyville with a stupid proposition that business savvy people should laugh at, but Applejack is an idiot, Ponyvillians are idiots, and no one seems to think that the whole competition is idiotic and isn't helping anyone'.

In a world of sanity, what would've happened is that the Apples and the Flim Flam Brothers would've made a deal that would've benefited both parties and the costumers, made a lot of money and good cider for everyone. But then we wouldn't have a conflict would we? Therefore, instead of writing another story that would fit the realm of sanity, we make characters act stupid. And then we force a resolution that makes no sense because we can't admit that we screwed up at square one. And it's painful to watch, because I know that the people involved can do better.

This is what I mean when I say that MLP ought to respect itself more. Sometimes it's too simplistic for the subject it's trying to tackle, other times it tries too hard. It's like a rocket trying to reach orbit, but lacks fuel to reach escape velocity, because they couldn't use proper fuel: either it burned too fast or too slow. The brothers fail as a foil because they didn't really do anything wrong or contrary to what AJ usually does in the basic idea, only after that nonsense about splitting profits that things fall apart. It falls to contrivance to create the conflict and because of that, it's the script that must contrive, again, a condition for a satisfactory resolution.

This was so easy to fix. Make the idea of splitting profits more reasonable and then, maybe the machine was causing some damage that would incapacitate them from making cider next season. Maybe the machine required an undue amount of energy and was harming someone. Or if you must go into the competition, the machine, just plain and simple, couldn't keep up with the Apples' passion and was making less cider without the need to introduce this idea of the quality control. Or perhaps it's produce was of inferior quality to begin with. This idea of quality control only serves to add unnecessary arrogance to the character and to add another element that didn't need to be there.

And then there is that joke about Rainbow Dash never getting cider. They say that comedy thrives on tragedy. This is kinda true, and taste in comedy is very personal, but if the character is suffering without need, for no reason other than making the character suffer and through no fault of it's own... Don't we call this abuse in this fandom?

 

EDIT: maybe I'm being too hard, because this is the episode that introduced the two brothers and we don't really know them. It's just painful because the whole only goes wrong because of these details.

True the narrative itself wasn't really thought of well and had many issues that could've been fixed with more sensible decisions rather than doing it for the sake of pushing for competition to happen for that John Henry homage and your idea for it would've been a better choice though I think he wanted to put a twist to that fable's narrative in that the Apple Family loses anyway. Either way whatever choices were made they did and we can only look at what they did right and wrong here and how they could've done better as you aptly typed about.

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Catch up time! Damn you, busy weekend!

 

On 2/3/2017 at 3:57 PM, Nuke87654 said:

1. Applejack undergoes perhaps one of her most underrated character developments in the entire series. It's a shame that the controversy over Derpy's censorship overshadowed perhaps the best Applejack episode I have seen in these two seasons. This is due to how they characterize the town's love and admiration for her and belief she'll win the rodeo competition to bring home first place and the prize money that she plans on using to repair the settlement's town hall that is in desperate need of it. However, due to the fact she had failed to win first place and the prize money itself, with the appraisal she had garnered from Ponyville, she felt she had to fulfill her promise she made as coming home without any money would shame her immensely. This shows a great characterization in her that she will do whatever it takes to fulfill her promises even at her own inconvenience. At the same time she does hold a certain level of pride in her to the point that she doesn't like to look terrible in front of folks that had so high of expectations of her that she chooses to avoid telling her reason for not coming home to Ponyville which prompts the mane 6 to bring her back however they can.

That's a pretty good analysis of Applejack here. :)

 

On 2/3/2017 at 3:57 PM, Nuke87654 said:

The remane five of Twilight Sparkle, Fluttershy, Pinkie Pie especially, Rainbow Dash for her equal stubborness to bring her back, and Rarity deserve praise in this episode for their determined actions to bringing their friend back and especially helping to tell her that they don't care if she didn't won first place, she's still a winner to them and that they care more that she's safe and sound at home where she belongs.

Friends for the win, here. :)

 

On 2/3/2017 at 3:57 PM, Nuke87654 said:

This rather famed scene from the classic tv series was paid homage here from the show where Fluttershy and Pinkie Pie try their hardest to sort the cherries out as AJ churns out more and more at an incremental pace as she grows increasingly pissed off at them asking her questions on why she's not coming back to Ponyville.

God, I friggin' loved this scene. :D Big fan of I Love Lucy, here.

 

On 2/3/2017 at 3:57 PM, Nuke87654 said:

While probably unintentional, I think this was also to paint a reference for Deadpool's love for Chimichungas. Fun fact, this was referenced in the Deadpool vs. Pinkie Pie deathbattle.

Flew over my head, admittedly. But I'm not that big a fan of Deadpool, to be honest. He just doesn't do anything big for me, and can be actively annoying.

 

On 2/3/2017 at 3:57 PM, Nuke87654 said:

1. The gang left Pinkie Pie and Rarity behind for which they were forced to ride back to Ponyville on their own. 

 

As I said before, the remane five's performance while good wasn't perfect. This started with Pinkie Pie knocking Rarity down to the ground without giving a proper warning for which Rainbow Dash refused to go back as they needed to get AJ down first. While understandable in her decision, the episode instead of having the gang travel back to Ponyville together, they left Pinkie Pie and Rarity to travel back there however they can.

That was probably my biggest problem with it. Why couldn't they go back and get them? The payoff at the end wasn't worth it.

 

On 2/3/2017 at 3:57 PM, Nuke87654 said:

And of course I'm going to talk about is the controversy that enveloped the episode was Derpy Hooves getting censored by not only having her voice changed to a generic voice but also having her eyes being less cross eyed to make it less offensive to folks crying that it was offensive to mentally disabled folks. This I felt was foolish considering the writer, Amy Keating Rogers has a special needs child, so why she would write such an intention? Also, considering how harmless this actually was and whatever inflection folks thought it was due to the original va in Tabitha St. Germain believing she was voicing a male character so tried for a deeper tone, this just felt like folks overreacting it for the sake of just wanting to be offended at something for attention. Fortunately, in S5, Tabitha was given another chance to voice Derpy Hooves and showed a version that was essentially a more feminine version of the original voice with no one complaining about it. Thus this shows that ultimately, Hasbro probably shouldn't have bowed to such pressures as it did more to harm them than help. 

I still, to this day, don't get, nor want to get, what the problem was with Derpy. I agree with you, here, 100%.

 

And... oh, god. The Super Speedy Cider Squeezy 6000 episode. Everyone get out your pencils, graph paper and slide rules! ;)

 

4 hours ago, Nuke87654 said:

Originally, the writer M.A. Larson never intended the episode to have a friendship report and wrote it in as a joke he was sure it would be rejected due to how cynical it was. This turned out not to be the case as DHX took the joke as serious and put it in the episode.

In this case, DHX were idiots.

 

4 hours ago, Nuke87654 said:

This is funny to me.

Funny to me, too. :D

 

4 hours ago, Nuke87654 said:

3. I really enjoyed seeing the remane five and Ponyville coming to the Apple Families aid in their hour of need when things were looking bad for them. This is one of the better portrayals the remane five had this season and that's just coming off another stellar one they had last time except this one is perhaps even better. Twilight took command of Rarity, Rainbow Dash, Fluttershy, and Pinkie Pie and set them out to assist the apple family such as Fluttershy knocking trees down to the earth to help AJ, Pinkie Pie helping Applebloom picking up the apples, Rarity helping Grannie Smith to sorting the bad and good apples out, Rainbow Dash assisting Big MacIntosh to move the apple grinder faster, and Twilight single handily moving the barrels to their place with her telekinesis.

It really shows some damned fine organizational and leadership skills from Twilight. Each pony goes where they can do maximum good.

 

4 hours ago, Nuke87654 said:

1. Pinkie Pie was a prick in the episode towards others and Rainbow Dash for the apple cider. Honestly the more and more I see this from Pinkie Pie, the more I'm convinced that despite what folks want to say about her role in S4, I'd say her worst season was actually S2. This is another reason for that as she not only buys a ton of apple cider all for herself despite knowing of how the Apple family frequently suffers supply problems for folks and how many miss out on it. To make matters worse, she obliviously rubbed it in an upset Rainbow Dash's face about it to which was only infuriating her.

Wait, what?! Legit? People think Pinkie was worse in season four than season two? Pardon my language, but bullshit! Pinkie was an asshole in season two! And here's one of the reasons why!

 

4 hours ago, Nuke87654 said:

2. I didn't like the joke of Rainbow Dash not getting her cider throughout the episode. Now denying someone their most wanted item in an episode is not an uncommon problem and it can actually be used to great affect for comedy when done properly (look to Megas XLR's 'All I wanted as a slushie' as a perfect example of that). Here I felt it failed mainly for how the tone for Rainbow Dash's plight was treated with seriousness instead of being treated as something more over the top and hilarious as Rainbow Dash desperately wanted cider and was getting pissed and desperate for it.

There were some definite implications of alcoholism with Dash's portrayal, here.

4 hours ago, Nuke87654 said:

WHY DID YOU GUYS NEVER THOUGHT TO ENLIST ANYONE'S AID FOR THE CIDER SEASON IF THAT'S WHAT ALL IT TOOK!

Yeah. There were a number of areas where the Apple's could've increased production. I bet if they promised her some cider every day, they'd have Dash's help all season!

The only thing I'll really comment on concerning the proposals and business plans and whatnot is this; I'm glad the machine itself worked. It would've been easy for it to be flawed. Instead, when the quality control was on, it produced good-quality cider.

 

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Today I'm going to review the forty second episode of the Friendship is Magic series and it's sixteenth episode of Season 2, Read it and Weep. It is written by Cindy Morrow and storyboarded Raven M. Molisee and Dave Wiebe.

 

This episode had many name titles to it due to Rainbow Dash being the center of learning the joy of reading such as 'Reading Rainbow', after the classic PBS tv reading educational program, 'A Dash of Fiction,' 'Speed Reader', 'A Need for Read', 'Book before you Leap', 'Every trick in the book', and 'Read'em and weep'.

 

After sustaining an injury from an accident, Rainbow Dash, after refusing earlier decides to read a book her friend Twilight Sparkle suggested she do while she recuperates.

 

Positives:

 

1. We are introduced to Daring Do in this episode and it has a good impact on Rainbow Dash's character in the series. The most notable thing and impact about the episode is the character Daring Do in the book that Rainbow Dash reluctantly reads after being bored out of her mind in the hospital. This soon enthralls Rainbow Dash to continue to read as she finds it the most interesting thing she's doing at the hospital.

 

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Helps that Daring Do is an Indiana Jones expy in this series.

 

Throughout the episode, due to Rainbow Dash declaring reading was for eggheads, she would try to hide this however she could from her visiting friends.

 

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Fake sleeping is one way to get them off from ya.

 

After they leave, she would continue reading the tale for which we are treated to a pensive vision from Dash on how the story is going on in her mind and what they say. This proves to be a very entertaining way to tell the story but yet organically flow through the episode's allotted time and have it be paused by other events. Eventually Rainbow Dash loves the story so much that she refused to leave the hospital despite their insistence she leaves and kicks her out as she wanted to finish the story up. Still worried of being looked down negatively as an egghead, she tries to steal the book from the hospital without getting caught.

 

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Looks like Cancer is canon in FIM here. 

 

Than once she retrieves the book, she soon gets caught and is forced to run much like Daring Do did in the book as her ability of flight was still hampered from the injury.

 

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She looks really cute with her pony ears giving that cat sweater look. 

 

However she soon gets spotted and in front of her friends to boot. There she is forced to confess that she loves the Daring Do book and wishes to finish reading it. Fortunately her friends were very understanding of it and in fact tell her it's alright she likes to read books. There Rainbow Dash would learn the valuable of lesson don't judge a book by it's cover unless you try it as you may end up liking it despite it's appearance.

 

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Totally not a reference at how a large number of guys are liking a girls cartoon show or so. 

 

This episode not only introduces Daring Do in the series but it also greatly helps to better Rainbow Dash's character in a field completely away from any athletics or wonderbolts and into something that is a little more 'egghead' or so in this fun narrative they've created for it.

 

2. I enjoyed the humor in this episode too. I had alot of fun watching this episode as despite the rather sparse material it showed despite it being very well made, it had plenty of humor I liked. The few that I didn't showed up above are:

 

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One of Daring Do's many dangerous foes she faced.

 

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Definitely not subliminal advertising or so from Hasbro.

 

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Than there's this weird pony named screwy. 

 

There's plenty of fun to be have in this entertaining episode folks that I will say. 

 

 

Negatives:

 

1. The hospital forced Rainbow Dash out despite how her wing still is not fully healed and she cannot fly back up to her home. Now this was the only really notable problem I had with the episode is of how in order to push the plot into this direction where Dashie had to try to steal the book back, they kicked out of the hospital with the belief that her wing healed enough that she no longer needs to stay there. This wouldn't be such a problem if Rainbow Dash's home wasn't a cloud home, one that requires the ability to fly in order to. And when she tries to fly away after getting the book, this happens

 

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Her wing seizes up in pain the moment she tries to fly. Now I could understand it if they had RD's friends waiting to pick her up or so, but considering how none of them showed up to do so as shown here

 

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No one there to pick up or even escort Dash out, they just kick her out essentially. Some good hospital service.

 

This leaves a bad impression on that hospital as it seems they just ran on a time schedule of how long they can keep Dash and promptly boot her out without care if she's actually healed fully or even if she had someone to bring her home that she surely would need if her wing would need more time to heal to fly well. Also it gives another impression that this was done to force the plot into Rainbow Dash being a thief as there would've been no other way for it to happen if what I said happened.

 

 

Conclusion: Read it and Weep is easily Rainbow Dash's best episode in S2. While no where near perfect due to how artificially hastened the story went when it forced Rainbow Dash out of the hospital for it's climax to occur, Read it and Weep does a good job at developing an Indy Jones expy tale that not only proved entertaining with it's Indy Jones references and adventure story it showed, and how it developed Rainbow Dash into a positive direction where she would become a noted Daring Do fan for it in a rather subtle reference at the brony fandom itself with how many of it's members got to watching FIM. Add some of Cindy's best humor in the series and a dash of dark references such as cancer, and you have a good Rainbow dash episode to enjoy to your pleasure. 

 

Score: 8.5/10

 

Grade: B

 

 

 

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Yeah, I really like this episode a lot, too. Never cottoned to the bit about being discharged too early. Good catch, dude.

 

Also, this episode annihilates the TwiDash fandom pairing for me. Vaporizes it, nukes it, destroys it. :D

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@Nuke87654 About Rainbow being pushed out of the hospital... At least in Brazil, the decision about releasing the patient from the ward is a decision between the patient, family and the responsible medical staff. Though I'm pretty sure it's similar in the US. The thing is: Brazil has a very present public health system and a patient that doesn't need to be interned SHOULD be released because a lot of public money is involved. However, out-patient care is a thing. So a patient isn't abandoned after being released. This is, to my knowledge, truth in the US too.

The thing is... Patients want to leave the hospital ASAP even if they're not directly paying. And they should, because a hospital is a place for sick people, therefore, there is a lot of sickness in hospitals. Even with separated wards and perfect usual higienization measures, there is always the chance of catching some drug resistant little monster.

As usual, the problem is that none of that has anything to do with the reason Rainbow is kicked out of the hospital. It is, as you said, because the plot needed it. This is typical of MLP... Everybody loses common sense because the plot needs it and a single line of dialogue would fix it. Wasn't that tne problem in last episode too? MLP is just lucky it's so charming.

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Today I'm going to review the forty third episode in the Friendship is Magic series and it's seventeenth episode in the second season of the show, Hearts and Hooves Day. It is written by Meghan McCarthy and the episode's storyboard artists are Sherann Johnson and Justin Nichols. 

 

This episode would be released two days before the official airing of it on Itunes which would be removed from the store until it's proper release date. Hearts and Hooves day would also serve as a puzzle game for Hasbro's website where folks can play and piece the puzzle pieces together ten days before the release of the official episode itself. 

 

In an attempt to help Ms. Cheerilee find a special somepony for her on Hearts and Hooves day, the Cutie Mark Crusaders try to find a way for her to be hitched with Big MacIntosh, even involving a bit of potion making.

 

 

Positives:

 

1. Hearts and Hooves day gave us another holiday expy for ponies to celebrate in the Valentine like Hearts and Hooves day. In a theme of building up expy holidays from our world and crafting it onto our world, we are given on what holiday they celebrate having a 'special somepony' as they like to call dates or so in Hearts and Hooves Day. For the most part, it bears alot of similarities to how we celebrate Valentines day to the point that out of the three holidays they chose to celebrate in Equestria, Hearts and Hooves Day is the most compatible to our own version of the bunch. The major difference being that @ChB allowed me to find is that Hearts and Hooves Day was caused by a love potion that I will get to in a bit. Thus we have a holiday where ponies get to celebrate with that special somepony they've been wanting to celebrate with.

 

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Not everyone though. Good minor spot there.

 

 

2. This is the closest we have gotten to a Cheerilee episode in the series and it does develop her in some aspects. This is also perhaps the closest we will ever get to a Cheerilee episode on the show where she was the primary focus throughout the episode as the Cutie Mark Crusaders attempt to bring her someone that can be her special somepony much to her chagrin.

 

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This says plenty about her character and how she views getting a special somepony without uttering a single word. Despite her unwillingness to get a date, she still tries to keep a positive environment around her students showing her dedication to being a good teacher.

 

Meanwhile the Cutie Mark Crusaders would find that special somepony candidate in Big MacIntosh. Despite their earnest effort, the CMC's realize that neither want to hit it off with each other.

 

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OH COME ON!

 

This would eventually lead to the CMCs forcing Cheerilee and Big MacIntosh to fall for each other via a Love Poison they thought was a Love Potion that would have the two fall lovey dovey for each other.

 

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To the point the CMC's start to grow concerned and wish to stop them before it's too late.

 

This would lead to the CMC's putting all the stops to stop these two love birds from seeing each other for an hour in order to remove the love poison from their systems. They nearly failed but succeed in this task.

 

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And right before they can do another sexual innuendo. This episode has plenty of them.

 

Course this would end with Cheerilee and Big Mac getting pissed off at the CMCs and rightfully so for putting them through that mess for which they punish them by forcing them to do Big Mac's chores for the day and to witness some mean teasing by them at the end.

 

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While her character wasn't developed especially highly or even the best in her series as that would be in a comic issue I believe, this does give her a moment outside of her role as teacher to fillies and colts and where her love life is shown and how she views it, which is she's not in a hurry to find one. Pairing up with Big Mac where the two end up being friends or so at the end with a couple of ship teases or so. 

 

3. While the main cringe humor is a matter of personal tastes, it is a very well made cringe humor and there other spots of humor given in the episode that I liked. Now I know that cringe humor is not exactly a field alot of folks particularly like and I will mark it below, but here I thought the cringe humor was effective as it was done to poke fun at forced romances in other programs and how annoying it is for folks to see two love birds sing lovey dovey phrases at each other.

 

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A typical pony's response to Cheerilee and Big Mac under the Love Poison effect.

 

And even if that's not your cup of tea, there are other humor moments you can like as well such as 

 

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Like I said, tons of sexual innuendos.

 

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Some dark comedy right there.

 

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More here too.

 

As I said, while cringe humor makes the majority of the comedy in this episode, I can say there are other moments in the episode for folks to enjoy outside of it.

 

 

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A minor thing, Scootaloo seems to have developed an interest in romances after her initial disgust for it from last season.

 

5. The 'Perfect Stallion' song in the episode was pretty decent. I will say that I' am not a big fan of this song as while it was decent, I felt it was notably weaker compared to the past songs as for the most part the lyrics aren't to my liking. But I do say that did like some of the comedy used in the episode and it was still a pretty decent song or so.

 

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Someone has a jelly kink fetish and especially another sexual innuendo here.

 

6. The love poison has a minor lore story for folks to get onto if they wish to make a fanfic out of it. Now we also had a world building moment here in the episode where it was shown that the first time the love poison was made it affected two royal couples to the point that they couldn't fulfill their royal duties and allowed their kingdom to fall into collapse due to a possible dragon attack or so.

 

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Now puts that love poison in a grim dark side of things. Now to the Cutie Pox range but it holds some dark implications. Especially as they dedicated a holiday out of it!

 

 

Negatives:

 

1. The cringe humor that made up the comedy for Cheerilee and Big MacIntosh under the love poison effect can turn some folks off.   As I said above, while I thought the cringe humor was well done, it is not something that folks would like either and thus many more would end up being as annoyed as the ponies around them were at their love speech and googly eyes for each other. Thus while I thought the cringe humor was well done, it's a subjective taste not everyone is going to like and will  be annoyed at it's heavy use of it in the 2nd half of the episode.

 

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Folk's reaction to the cringe humor if they don't like it already.

 

2. Twilight Sparkle was used as a plot device deliverer for the episode. In the only appearance of a mane 6 in this episode, Twilight Sparkle pretty much was used to deliver the book the Cutie Mark Crusaders needed to make a love potion spell. After that she pretty much was discarded for the rest of the episode never to be mentioned again.

 

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Now you know how Zecora feels, Twilight.

 

The way the love potion was given too was problematic as it essentially felt like it was artificially spawned in order to move the plot into this direction they wanted it to go to as why else would Twilight appear and be used like that.

 

3. Folks may not also like at how the CMCs were teased by Cheerilee and Big MacIntosh at the end. While it's not to say they didn't deserve to work Big Mac's chores after they were forced to fall for each other via a love poison potion, but them teasing the CMC's at the end may have invited a bit of a cynical ploy from them at the expense of the girls which some folks can take offense to. 

 

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We're going out girls, and it's totally not to tease you guys at your expense or so.

 

 

Conclusion: Hearts and Hooves Day, while not greatly made due to needing Twilight Sparkle to deliver the episode's plot device when it needed it, the teasing at the end, and how dependent one's tastes in cringe humor must be in the 2nd half of the episode, it does it's job well enough. Giving us the Hearts and Hooves Day as Equestria's valentine expy, a bit of character development for Cheerilee, some good if dependent on tastes humor, tiny bit of lore building, and a decent song make this episode pretty okay in my opinion.

 

Score: 8.0/10

 

Grade: C+

 

 

 

Edited by Nuke87654
ChB has shown me a point to help improve a tiny bit on the lore of Hearts and Hooves Day.
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10 hours ago, Nuke87654 said:

Hearts and Hooves Day, while not greatly made due to needing Twilight Sparkle to deliver the episode's plot device when it needed it, the teasing at the end, and how dependent one's tastes in cringe humor must be in the 2nd half of the episode, it does it's job well enough. With giving us the Hearts and Hooves Day as Equestria's valentine expy, a bit of character development for Cheerilee, some good if dependent on tastes humor, tiny bit of lore building, and a decent song make this episode pretty okay in my opinion.

Score: 8.0/10

Grade: C+

 

Good review, and good timing to post this just a few days before Valentine's Day. I liked the cringe humor too, as well as the song. My favorite scene, besides the teasing humor at the end, was when Cheerilee rammed the CMC head-on, knocking them into the air like bowling pins (anyone know if that scene is a reference to some other media?). I wish that the show will develop Cheerilee's character more, but like you said, it's probably not going to happen. I think that Twilight Sparkle was necessary, though. How else could the CMC have discovered the love potion? Not another Zecora, as Apple Bloom already did that in Cutie Pox. And they are not exactly the bookworm types, so a scene of them discovering the love potion themselves would seem a bit forced. So my question is: how do you think their discovery of the love potion could have been done better?  

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15 hours ago, ChB said:

Good review, and good timing to post this just a few days before Valentine's Day. I liked the cringe humor too, as well as the song. My favorite scene, besides the teasing humor at the end, was when Cheerilee rammed the CMC head-on, knocking them into the air like bowling pins (anyone know if that scene is a reference to some other media?). I wish that the show will develop Cheerilee's character more, but like you said, it's probably not going to happen. I think that Twilight Sparkle was necessary, though. How else could the CMC have discovered the love potion? Not another Zecora, as Apple Bloom already did that in Cutie Pox. And they are not exactly the bookworm types, so a scene of them discovering the love potion themselves would seem a bit forced. So my question is: how do you think their discovery of the love potion could have been done better?  

The bowling joke is pretty funny I'll agree. Yes I do agree that Cheerilee probably isn't going to get much attention from DHX after the CMCs got their cutie marks so I see her use has finished or so. What I mean about the flaw for Twilight is like this:

 

CMCs: Now how are we're going to get Ms. Cheerilee and Big Mac to go out with each other. We might as well call it-

 

Twilight Sparkle: Hello girls, don't mind me I'm just reading up on how the holiday Hearts and Hooves got started by a love potion.

 

CMCs: A love potion!? Say Twilight, do you have a book that can let us make a love potion.

 

Twilight Sparkle: I do, and I'll let you have it if you want along with another-

 

CMCs leave with the book that will give them a love potion in hand, leaving Twilight annoyed.

 

It's what I mean by that, just when it seemed the girls are stomped and have no where else to go, Twilight appears out of nowhere who just so happens is reading a book on Hearts and Hooves day, who just so happens to remark that it was caused by a love potion, and allows the CMCs to make off with the book that would allow them to make such a potion. She pretty much was used to deliver the necessary plot device for the girls when it appeared they were stomped and had no where else to go, thus taking the plot to the direction it needed that they otherwise cannot do on their own.

 

Btw, thanks to that critique I have to amend the lore on Love potion a bit. Ty.

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3 hours ago, Nuke87654 said:

It's what I mean by that, just when it seemed the girls are stomped and have no where else to go, Twilight appears out of nowhere who just so happens is reading a book on Hearts and Hooves day, who just so happens to remark that it was caused by a love potion, and allows the CMCs to make off with the book that would allow them to make such a potion. She pretty much was used to deliver the necessary plot device for the girls when it appeared they were stomped and had no where else to go, thus taking the plot to the direction it needed that they otherwise cannot do on their own.

 

Btw, thanks to that critique I have to amend the lore on Love potion a bit. Ty.

I don't find a string of coincidence, which happens in real-life, to be necessarily a bad thing. I do get your point, though, of how it can reduce a character to nothing more than a plot device. Perhaps a better way it could have been handled is if Cheerilee herself taught the class about the origin of Hearts and Hooves Day. The class would find it boring, of course, but it leads up to a "Aha!" moment for the CMC. After feeling stumped for a while, one of the them remembers what they learned in class. 

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On 2/7/2017 at 0:37 PM, RK_Striker_JK_5 said:

Also, this episode annihilates the TwiDash fandom pairing for me. Vaporizes it, nukes it, destroys it. :D

How so? Wouldn't this episode, if anything, fuel the ship fandom? Rainbow Dash and Twilight Sparkle found something in common: They both like reading Daring Do.

For the record, I'm no fan of TwiDash, or any romantic pairing between the Mane Six.

 

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1 minute ago, ChB said:

How so? Wouldn't this episode, if anything, fuel the ship fandom? Rainbow Dash and Twilight Sparkle found something in common: They both like reading Daring Do.

 

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For the record, I'm no fan of TwiDash, or any romantic pairing between the Mane Six.

 

Because of how much an asshole Dash is to Twilight.

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