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On 2/3/2017 at 6:06 PM, Metemponychosis said:

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Celestia is the worst thing in the whole franchise for me. I'm not going to expand on that because even I am getting bored of it by now, every time they use her it's a waste of a character that had a lot of potential so they can service a plot that would make no sense if Celestia had any common sense. in this episode, she's downright despicable. "I have uses for his magic."

"I have uses for his magic." In any other story, this would be the words of one villain trying to manipulate another villain, only to have this plan bite the first villain in the ass. See Gestahl from Final Fantasy VI for what happens when you try to use a being with immense magic without any idea of their motives.

On 2/3/2017 at 6:06 PM, Metemponychosis said:

To me, it's clear that the show's production want the audience to look at characters like Discord and Starlight Glimmer as "good now", despite the fact that they just didn't change. Because if they did, people would lose interest in the characters.

I can counter that claim with one word: Mewtwo. Granted, his arc in the Pokémon animé had similar problems and they haven't done anything with him for the past 15 years, but at least the writers in that put some thought into how his character would end up with compared to Starlight Glimmer and, as a result, he still has a strong fanbase.

This leads me to one of two conclusions:

1. The only reason the fans like these characters is that, as you said, they pander solely to the "boo hoo, I'm misunderstood" crowd, as opposed to the crowd who likes characters because they have some depth to them. A lot of these people like to wallow in their misery and not change, and if these characters changed and started having empathy (of if the rest of the cast stopped putting up with their antics), then these fans would complain.

2. The saner part of the fan-base doesn't have confidence in the MLP writers making former villains into neat heroes (which, given the writers' tracks record in both the show and the comics, I can't blame them).

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1 hour ago, WaterPulse said:

I can counter that claim with one word: Mewtwo. Granted, his arc in the Pokémon animé had similar problems and they haven't done anything with him for the past 15 years, but at least the writers in that put some thought into how his character would end up with compared to Starlight Glimmer and, as a result, he still has a strong fanbase.

This leads me to one of two conclusions:

1. The only reason the fans like these characters is that, as you said, they pander solely to the "boo hoo, I'm misunderstood" crowd, as opposed to the crowd who likes characters because they have some depth to them. A lot of these people like to wallow in their misery and not change, and if these characters changed and started having empathy (of if the rest of the cast stopped putting up with their antics), then these fans would complain.

2. The saner part of the fan-base doesn't have confidence in the MLP writers making former villains into neat heroes (which, given the writers' tracks record in both the show and the comics, I can't blame them).

Mewtwo, to my knowledge, had a different kind of background that allowed the writers to launch him in any direction because there aren't people with the same kind of story to look at it and say it lacks verisimilitude. Starlight Glimmer has a "normal" background that is familiar to people, and that allows people to judge it.

Correct me if I'm wrong. But Mewtwo missed the point of the morality surrounding the way Pokemon fight and that was the root of his motivation. He was created in a way that caused him to lack compassion.

Starlight Glimmer was a normal child, that went through an event that is considered normal in the life of any child and yet reacted to it as if she had gone through heavy psychological trauma. This is very similar to the way younger people react to traumatic life events. Even the mild ones. To them, it looks like their world is about to end because they lost a friend or two when moving out of town while their parents are just waiting for them to grow out of it. I was like that and I think there is a high probability that you were like that. The difference is that neither of us turned into a control-hungry sociopath. I still think that, rigidly speaking, she could be categorized, colloquially, as a psychopath (which is actually an umbrella term, but... Colloquially.) because she doesn't seem to miss understanding of social norms. She lacks compassion and a sense of morality. A "normal sociopath" would miss the point of doing things with her friends, but would understand why messing with their minds is off-limits. But I'm digressing. The point is that Mewtwo, to my understanding, was "done right" because they were wise to make him different.

I'll be damned if this kind of pandering isn't a big power fantasy of sorts, but I don't really care. I believe that the cartoon could do better, but also believe that raising children is the responsibility of the parents not of a cartoon. It's just a shame that I was lead to believe that MLP was meant to be a smart kid's cartoon and this has a tendency of putting MLP in that category of children stories where the adults are utter incompetents so that the kids can fix the problem. And the kids are actually adults that never grew up.

 

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On 2/3/2017 at 6:06 PM, Metemponychosis said:

Yes! Q clearly had an agenda and his thing is more "order" than "chaos".

And unlike Discord, his lessons, more often than not, are indeed helpful.

 

On 2/3/2017 at 6:06 PM, Metemponychosis said:

in this episode, she's downright despicable. "I have uses for his magic."

Yeah. She needed a fucking mustache to twirl when she said that!

 

On 2/3/2017 at 6:06 PM, Metemponychosis said:

Some people said that Luna should be turned to stone ASAP after her shenanigans in that episode with the long name. To me, it's clear that the show's production want the audience to look at characters like Discord and Starlight Glimmer as "good now", despite the fact that they just didn't change. Because if they did, people would lose interest in the characters. This is one of the show's many... Dissonances. Especially when...

Protagonist-centered morality. They're the 'good guys', so they're in the right. MLP has a massive problem with it.

 

On 2/3/2017 at 6:06 PM, Metemponychosis said:

When has Celestia ever made sense?

Return of Harmony. She recognized Discord's threat and took proactive measures to nip it in the bud ASAP. Straight-forward, no BS. Sadly, her finest hour so far.

 

On 2/5/2017 at 2:12 PM, WaterPulse said:

"I have uses for his magic." In any other story, this would be the words of one villain trying to manipulate another villain, only to have this plan bite the first villain in the ass. See Gestahl from Final Fantasy VI for what happens when you try to use a being with immense magic without any idea of their motives.

Yup. Seriously, that was some Lex Luthor-grade shit she pulled off.

 

On 2/5/2017 at 2:12 PM, WaterPulse said:

I can counter that claim with one word: Mewtwo. Granted, his arc in the Pokémon animé had similar problems and they haven't done anything with him for the past 15 years, but at least the writers in that put some thought into how his character would end up with compared to Starlight Glimmer and, as a result, he still has a strong fanbase.

 

On 2/5/2017 at 4:18 PM, Metemponychosis said:

Mewtwo, to my knowledge, had a different kind of background that allowed the writers to launch him in any direction because there aren't people with the same kind of story to look at it and say it lacks verisimilitude. Starlight Glimmer has a "normal" background that is familiar to people, and that allows people to judge it.

I'll have to leave you two to this. Beyond a few episodes of the first season and having some of the characters as playable in Super Smash Brothers: Melee, I have no exposure to Pokemon.

 

On 2/5/2017 at 4:18 PM, Metemponychosis said:

Starlight Glimmer was a normal child, that went through an event that is considered normal in the life of any child and yet reacted to it as if she had gone through heavy psychological trauma. This is very similar to the way younger people react to traumatic life events. Even the mild ones. To them, it looks like their world is about to end because they lost a friend or two when moving out of town while their parents are just waiting for them to grow out of it. I was like that and I think there is a high probability that you were like that.

I was like that, too. I had friends. I've lost friends. I was sad, then moved on. Yes, it's bad she lost her friend. It in NO WAY excuses, explains or anything concerning her future actions.

 

Okay, folks. Let's finish this trainwreck of a season.

 

And now... the finale.

Magical Mystery Cure

 

Originally posted here on April 28th, 2016.

 

We open in on a zoom to Ponyville, and Golden Oaks. Twilight is singing and happy! She's tempting fate so much she might as well say she's two days from retirement while showing a picture of metaphorical grandkids. And at the apex of the chorus, she gets water dumped on her. She calls out Rainbow Dash, but Rarity's voice is heard. We see her on a bridge, with Dash's cutie mark. Ho, boy...

After commercials, the clouds are in a checkerboard pattern. Rarity's getting her head chewed off by the townsfolk as it starts snowing. She goes to see Dash, who for some reason lives at Fluttershy's cottage. And we get the Cutie Mark song. And she's got Fluttershy's cutie mark?! And what's this about 'cutie marks' and 'destiny'? That's not how they've been seen to work! At Sugarcube Corner, Fluttershy is trying-and failing-to entertain ponies there, and she's got Pinkie's cutie mark. At Sweet Apple Acres, Pinkie, or Pinkamena, is trying-and again failing-to do Applejack's job. She also has a bit of an accent. And finally Applejack at Carousel Boutique. And like a broken record, she's trying and failing. Finally back to Rarity, and wash, rinse and repeat.

Back at Golden Oaks, we get an explanation. And ho boy it's a doozy. We get a flashback to last night. She got a delivery from Celestia. It was Starswirl's journal, and one last unfinished spell. Celestia believes Twilight is the only one who can finish it. "I cast the spell so I could find out what it was." Yup, cast it. Her own words. She had no idea what the spell was about, but cast it. And then she didn't even look around, but just yawned and walked off.

TWENTY-TWO!

The spell fucked with the Elements, and by extension, their Bearers. Spike says to cast a counter-spell, but there is none. The memory spell from Discord's first rampage won't work either. Apparently it's their 'destinies' that have been screwed with, as little sense as that makes. Zecora's cutie pox cure won't work, either. "They're not who they're meant to be anymore."

Okay, confession. I am really not too fond of 'destiny' or 'chosen one' tropes. The idea that only THIS person can do it, or that you're 100% locked into a path, does not sit well with me overall. I don't like it here, either! Twilight, to her credit, doesn't try and foist the blame. We get a montage of Ponyville basically falling apart, which is another thing I don't like. The town's happiness depends on these ponies and ONLY these ponies? Pull the other one! There's an entire weather team for the clouds!

Spike gives her a pep talk, and she gets a revelation out of nowhere. She grabs the Elements and hauls tail out of there to help them remind each other of who they are. First is Fluttershy, who's gonna move back to Cloudsdale. Twilight asks her to go to Dash and help out. At the cottage, Dash is about to be fucking cooked alive! Fluttershy steps up and manages to get the animals to calm down. She glows and her Element glows and her eyes do a slot machine of memories. "What happened?" Twilight cast an unknown spell with no safety precautions, did no checks afterwards to see if anything had happened, and then went to bed. :P

We get a montage. Dash helps Rarity. Rarity helps Applejack. Applejack helps Pinkie Pie. And as she does the rest of the Apple clan finally shows up. Where the hell were you earlier?! Applejack helps Pinkie Pie. Because Pinkie is the only one who can entertain ponies.

Twilight suddenly gets another revelation about the spell. She goes there, writes in the book. As soon as the period lands, the Elements all light up. They hit Twilight... and she's gone! All that's left is a burn mark.

"Twilight Sparkle was killed yesterday afternoon when she cast an untested spell again and was blasted to atoms."

Okay, that's not how it ends. But considering how that spell's been acting and how she treats magic... :P

After commercial we come back, and Twilight is in space. Celestia comes up and congratulates her. Unlike Starswirl, who couldn't understand friendship like Twilight, and that has never sat well with me, she did. She's proven she's ready. She has? News to me.  They walk past some big screens showing Twilight's life. Big Celestia is Watching. Twilight loved Big Celestia. And yes, Celestia's been watching her. Some... globule of magic shoots out of Twilight's chest, surrounds her and she floats up. I'd be freaking out by now.

It's now night in Ponyville, when it was afternoon when we last left them. Good lord her friends must be messed up. Twilight's cutie mark flares in the sky. It descends, and turns into Twilight. And she's an alicorn. Whoopedy-doo. Dash has a new flying buddy. Fluttershy says she looks like a princess! Celestia shows up and says she is.

Wait, why?! She's displayed the... leadership of a true princess. How, by managing Winter Wrap-Up? Celestia says she'll be there to help and guide her. If I may be blunt, Celestia, you really didn't do all that much over these three seasons. Twilight freaks out, natch, and asks for a book.

So, coronation. I'm gonna skip over this for the most part. Lou Gehrig speech, liquid pride, Twilight flies into the camera.

Thoughts

Okay... This episode is so rushed it's ridiculous. We have what could be a two or three-part episode crammed into the first half, with the rest devoted to Twilight in the void, and the coronation. It's insane. You could get whiplash.

Now, I'm gonna say something about change. What is change?

Change is not good.

Change is not bad.

Change is, in and of itself, a neutral action. A transition from one quantum state to another. Season four, Twilight as a princess kinda grew on me. Here, though...

Okay, those numbers in bold? That's every time Twilight's screwed up magically. Twenty-two times over sixty-five episodes.  Hell, there were times I decided not to count something when I was waffling on it. So a little over one every third episode. That's not as bad as I thought it'd be, but that's not 'good'. She has continually proven to be reckless, book-smart but common sense-poor and has an inability to think the consequences of those spells through. Here is the penultimate example, but it's not the last. Oohai, BATS!

Lemme go through some of the arguments I've read concerning her handling of the spell...

1. She was ordered by Celestia to do it: Yes... but that doesn't mean she can't seek out more info, ask what it's supposed to do, not cast the spell immediately after getting the book, go down to the basement, read some more of the journal, do some research!

2. Celestia wouldn't send her anything dangerous: Eh... mileage varies on that. And quite frankly, even if it was to change the color of someone's mane, it'd still be dangerous how she handled it.

3. The spell auto-cast: No, it didn't. Twilight specifically says she cast it. No auto-cast.

4: How was she supposed to think it was so dangerous: We have the unfinished masterpiece by the pony equivalent of Einstein/Edison/Merlin/Gandalf. Take some damned precautions!

So Twilight almost ruins Ponyville and almost destroys the lives of her best friends through some damned careless spellcasting. She fixes it, fine, but it shouldn't have gotten to the point it was at in the first place!

As for being a princess, no. I really don't see 'leading five other ponies' and 'fixing Winter Wrap-Up' as huge qualifications for that. Sorry, Twilight, but you can really freak out and have shown some very skewed priorities. And I don't even know how solving this spell somehow makes you qualified, or is some 'apotheosis' as others have called it.

And finally, Celestia. you sent Twilight a spell, didn't tell her anything about it, or your plans for her, and then spring, "surprise, you're a princess!" on her. Yeah, not a fan of that. Strike three, Celly. You're out.

This episode, in a nutshell, is a rushed mess and took something that could've been great, Twilight's ascension/coronation, and basically ruined it.

 

EDIT: From what I understand, this episode was supposed to be the series finale. And the spell was different, too. This may explain how bad it is, but it does NOT excuse hos much it sucks.

 

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3 hours ago, RK_Striker_JK_5 said:

Return of Harmony. She recognized Discord's threat and took proactive measures to nip it in the bud ASAP. Straight-forward, no BS. Sadly, her finest hour so far.

You're right. My butthurt over her on the last seasons make me forget that too often.

About MMC: I want to like this episode, because I like the general idea, the songs... But it suffers from the typical season finale syndrome. I read an interview with Larson that said that the original idea was going to make it look a lot more like Twilight got lucky, or something like that. I like the way it turned out better. It's not perfect, but could've been a lot worse.

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