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Frenemies

 

We start with Cozy Glow, Tirek, and Chrysalis annoying Grogar. Chrysalis’s comment is rather notable in that she calls herself a queen, but she has already lost all of her followers as well as her territory, so that title is worthless. It’s too bad she hasn’t come up with any ideas for trying to kill the Mane 6, so she doesn’t really live up to her own title. A royal who couldn’t be bothered to contribute to her own goal? That sure sounds familiar. Grogar decides to leave so the three can learn how to live with and tolerate each other and not quickly fall apart when finally deciding to attack the Mane 6. I wouldn’t be surprised if the three villains became a better team than the alicorn sisters, not that it would take much to surpass them in the first place.

 

Cozy Glow places herself in charge likely due to having some experience with friendship and thus knowing at least a thing or two about teamwork. She asks the other two to join her in a meeting. Chrysalis’s scene was a tad amusing. She was confiding in a piece of wood, so she wasn’t interested in acquainting herself with her teammates. And she was only interested in the meeting after Cozy Glow mentioned cupcakes.

 

There’s the meeting between the three villains, and they can’t bring themselves to get along with each other. Tirek is trying to absorb Chrysalis’s magic, and they’re both annoyed with Cozy Glow constangly placing herself in charge. it seems that Tirek isn’t absorbing that much magic if Chrysalis doesn’t seem to feel any physical pain. By the way, has Tirek tried to absorb Grogar’s magic? It doesn’t look like an explanation was given at any point, but I’ll assume that Grogar weakened Tirek after pulling him from Tartarus. Or Grogar is powerful enough to rebuff any of Tirek’s advances. Celestia now has even less of an excuse to chicken out of a confrontation with Tirek back in season 4, not that she ever had an excuse in the first place.

 

Cozy Glow attempts to encourage teamwork and bring them all together through a villain song. I’m always up for a villain song, especially one that is fun and sinister. Too bad that doesn’t help my opinion of the show. Anyways, things don’t go well at first as Tirek and Chrysalis intentionally screw over the other during some trust exercises. The villains seem to be in agreement at some point in the song, but they don’t take long to fall apart afterward, and it’s quite notable in the case of Cozy Glow as she insists on being the boss.

 

Grogar appears after the song and is still disappointed in their continuing lack of unity, so he decides to help them by giving them an assignment to see if they can work together to steal some magical artifact. Since his underlings have big egos as they have each come close to victory at least once at some point (I’m gonna take another shot at the alicorn sisters being so incompetent at failing to do anything about any of these villains), they each argue over which one of them should lead this operation. Chrysalis even claims that she almost conquered Equestria “several times”, but that only happened at the end of season 2. You could argue that capturing the important figures of Equestria at the end of season 6 could count, but she didn’t attempt any conquest that time unlike season 2. In any case, twice hardly means several times. Grogar ultimately puts his foot down and points out that they all failed to achieve their goals anyways.

 

Time for a flashback. Grogar talks about one of his old magical artifacts, the Bewitching Bell. Gusty the Great stole and hid it on top of a mountain as the bell couldn’t be destroyed, but Grogar has discovered the bell’s location. Chrysalis mocks the easiness of the assignment, but since we’re not even halfway through the episode, it’s obviously gonna be pretty tough. Not that there’s a reason for the task to be easy in the first place unless the security was handled by the alicorn sisters. If the alicorn sisters handled the security around the Bewitching Bell, the villains would simply walk up to the bell, steal it, and then after a long period of time be surprised to learn that the place was supposed to have security after Celestia or Luna confronts them about this. How about this instead? Let’s say Celestia did set up a bunch of traps and various kinds of securities around the bell. And the traps did go off, but Celestia’s luck is about as good as Wile E. Coyote’s, so the traps immediately collapse upon trigger and even destroy each other, leaving the villains dumbfounded about the awful security and leaving them unopposed. Bonus points if pieces of the trap(s) flew off the mountain and later strike Celestia.

 

Anyways, the three villains head to Mt. Everhoof. Cozy Glow even came up with a plan to get to the top of the mountain, but Tirek and Chrysalis immediately ditch her. She ends up throwing away her plan as a result. I don’t know why she’d want to waste it even if she wouldn’t immediately use it, but whatever. Chrysalis tries to fly to the top, but the winds initially impede her progress too much, so she lands and continues her journey by walking and transforming into various animals to cross various terrains. She eventually reaches a point where she was to fly to the top, but the winds are too strong and blow her back. If the wind was conjured by Celestia, it would just blow Chrysalis to the artifact. How would the wind affect a unicorn who magically carries herself like Starlight did? Would Starlight have been able to use her magic to push through the wind?

 

Cozy Glow hikes up the mountain and encounters the guard Rusty Bucket, who isn’t curious about a lone filly for some reason. She asks for the guard’s help, but the guard continuously declines as he knows that getting to the mountain peak will be difficult and dangerous. If the guard was hired by Princess Celestia, he would have accidentally sent Cozy Glow directions to the bell. Does the guard know about the Bewitching Bell, by the way? Cozy Glow tries to befriend him to later convince him to take her to the top, but Rusty Bucket still declines and reasons that a friend wouldn’t ask him to do something he shouldn’t. He even read about that from a copy of the Journal of Friendship which pisses off Cozy Glow, and that was an admittedly amusing scene. Cozy Glow gets so pissed off and screams, which triggers an avalanche that creates a snowball and carries her off the mountain. It was also quite amusing to see Rusty Bucket shrug off Cozy Glow getting carried away.

 

Tirek starts his trek by blowing some dirt into the wind, and the dirt bounces off a magical barrier and immediately hits his face. I’m not sure why there’d be a barrier for blown dirt but not walking intruders. Maybe the barrier was meant to block projectiles. If that barrier was casted by Princess Celestia, it would somehow block out all of the good guys while leading the villains to the artifact. Good thing Celestia wasn’t responsible for setting up the security around Mt. Everhoof, right? Anyways, Tirek figured out that getting to the top was impossible, so he waited for Chrysalis and Cozy Glow to fail so he can get some foresight about the security. There was also an amusing scene of Tirek and Cozy Glow getting into a childish argument with the two insulting each other. Tirek even points at Cozy Glow while mocking her about how the she sleeps. Chrysalis eventually returns and admits that the three will need to work together.

 

The villains gather around Tirek’s campfire and start to bond over their attempted conquest over Equestria, their hatred for the Mane 6 (especially Twilight), and their desire for revenge. This is sad. I think this bonding scene was fine as it gave them something to like about each other and a common goal to work toward, but there’s something else I feel like bitching about. This scene between the villains is actually more endearing than any scene that ever occurred between Celestia and Luna. That’s right. Nine seasons of the alicorn sisters being reunited, and they never had a moment as tender as this. What did the sisters ever unite over other than the fact that they’re sisters? Take their lack of interaction over the show into consideration, and the relationship between the sisters feels emptier and less endearing than this one moment between the villains. What’s also pitiful is that the villains care more about mocking Twilight and getting back at the Mane 6 instead of a pair of long-lived alicorns. Maybe the villains are also aware of how bad Celestia and Luna are at their jobs. Even if the villains end up being unaware of the alicorn sisters because of how much trouble the Mane 6 caused, that still doesn’t bode well for their perceptions of the sisters since – well – they’re so unaware of the alicorn sisters when thinking about trying to conquer Equestria.

 

Now that the three villains trust each other a little, the three villains try again to climb to the top of Mt. Everhoof, and they have much less trouble getting to their destination this time. They even encounter Rusty Bucket, who isn’t much of a guard as they don’t use much effort to deal with him. The only reason Cozy Glow couldn’t get past him was because she’s physically weaker and also because she had no way of actually climbing up the mountain.

 

When they finally reach the top, they encounter another magical barrier blocking their entry. The only way through is for Tirek to absorb Chrysalis’s magic and blast a hole in the barrier, but Chrysalis is rightfully reluctant since they aren’t actually friends. Tirek promises to return the magic, and since they don’t have any better options for finishing this task, Chrysalis reluctantly allows Tirek to take her magic. Tirek blasts the barrier, but only Cozy Glow is small enough to fly through the hole to take the bell. He even notes that he couldn’t keep the barrier open forever, but couldn’t he stop for a little while and make a hole again after Cozy Glow returns with the bell? After Cozy Glow returns, Tirek initially seems to refuse to return Chrysalis’s magic, and Chrysalis likewise also distrusts Tirek, but he eventually gives in. The three villains finally realize the power of teamwork, but they’re still not interested in being friends as the idea of genuine friendship disgusts them. Thankfully, today’s lesson hasn’t been completely lost on them, so they agree to continue working together as they all don’t like the Mane 6 as well as Grogar for being too powerful. They agree to break up this team after dealing with the two problems. Take note that they didn’t think of needing to deal with Celestia and Luna. They definitely don’t see the sisters as a threat.

 

We get to the ending, and the three villains lie about failing to get the bell. Grogar gets pissed but is also pleased that the villains have learned to work as a team. How is he gonna check to see if they even accomplished that? Maybe he plans to just observe them in the future because a lack of unity will be obvious. And the Bewitching Bell ends the episode with a glow. They better hope Grogar never notices the glow.

 

I have to admit, this episode by itself is pretty good. We see mulitple villains interacting with each other, and since they never really got to know each other (even though Cozy Glow and Tirek spent some time in Tartarus together, but whatever) while wanting Equestria for themselves, it would make sense for them to despise each other. And even though they learned about the power of teamwork, they still weren’t interested in being in each other’s lives outside of helping with their respective goals. So, it made sense for them to not want to be friends. Not even in the case of Cozy Glow who may have read about friendship and went to the School of Friendship, but she was never interested in friendship for its own sake or virtue. The episode also did well in showing that teamwork is still possible even between teammates who don’t like each other that much because teamwork means just that: working as a team. It doesn’t exactly mean friendship, which would require greater emotional input. If anything, they had to set their emotions aside in this case.

 

One interesting bit of irony is that Chrysalis felt reinvigorated after their teamwork and compared the experience to formerly running her Changeling empire. There had to be some amount of teamwork during her time as their queen because the empire would otherwise have fallen apart like this trio of villains almost did when refusing to get along with each other. She also didn’t want the “magic of friendship” to infect herself like it did with her hive, and it wouldn’t surprise me if there were Changeling minions who were friends with each other even during Chrysalis’s reign. Another bit of irony is that Grogar himself isn’t playing the teamwork card. He doesn’t even trust his minions as he doesn’t share much info about his plans with them (and he even said himself that he didn’t trust them at the beginning of the episode), and he also didn’t go with them to retrieve his bell. He might just care more about having minions work for him instead.

 

Aside from Chrysalis’s high and mighty attitude, it was also nice to see the villains’ personalities bounce off of each other. In actuality, they all think highly of themselves. Chrysalis was a former queen and expects things to be done when she desires, and I’ll be generous and overlook the fact that we never saw her performing as a queen. At least she’s willing to try and complete her own tasks. Tirek showed some cunningness like at the beginning of “Twilight’s Kingdom” such as knowing that the task couldn’t be completed alone and waited for the others to fail so he can learn from their mistakes while also avoiding humiliation. Cozy Glow is just a filly and fully aware of that, and she wants to abuse that image while being oblivious to how others see her. And both Tirek and Chrysalis can’t stand Cozy Glow because Cozy Glow is an annoying filly.

 

Too bad I don’t care.

 

I’ve already said that the show was already past the point of redemption with poor season finales that must carry over into the next season, so I don’t think any better of the show even though I thought positively of “Frenemies”.

 

It’s also too bad this episode kept reminding me of the show’s wasted potential, namely the all the wasted potential with Celestia and Luna. What does it say about the show that three villains in this episode got to display some genuine unity and teamwork, but the alicorn sisters have never done the same at any point? Even their focus episode featured them barely knowing each other, so whatever bond was supposed to be featured is much weaker than this villainous bond. To top it off, the villains still don’t like each other, but they’ve agreed to this temporary union. This one episode featured a more meaningful relationship between three villains than whatever was attempted with the half-assed episodes the sisters got. That might have been fine if the show never bothered using Celestia and Luna, though the wasted potential still would have been noticeable since the series premiered already established the two characters as sisters. But this waste is even worse as the sisters have appeared at multiple points in the show without doing anything productive.

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On 8/25/2020 at 6:19 PM, Number95 said:

We start with Cozy Glow, Tirek, and Chrysalis annoying Grogar. Chrysalis’s comment is rather notable in that she calls herself a queen, but she has already lost all of her followers as well as her territory, so that title is worthless.

Actually, if you deposed a ruler, especially one that inherited the title or had this subjective sense of 'blueblood', they would still retain that title to everyone, including the ones who deposed them. That is why regicide was a thing and such figures were typically put under arrest or banished rather than killed. Which is good that the cartoon just let her go, just in the dumbest way possible. The thing is that if you didn't respect that title, the people that used to follow them but didn't get so angry at your actions against their majesty that they'd take action just might. Which is also that when heads are rolling, it is usually the really powerful that wanted change and the masses didn't really have a choice other than pretending they did a thing. Unless one doesn't care about jackshit, it is just a children's cartoon, and this is just boring 'politics' and the changelings simply 100% never really sided with Chrysalis (like throwing themselves on a magical shield...) but they never had a choice and all the benefits Chrysalis gave to her ilk can just evaporate and nobody cares.

On 8/25/2020 at 6:19 PM, Number95 said:

Grogar

I loathe the fact that it was Discord all along and that he just lost control. Just saying. It ruined everything that came out of the story other than the nice touches of characterizations and interactions, which were really the only thing the cartoon was good at MOST of the time.

On 8/25/2020 at 6:19 PM, Number95 said:

Cozy Glow places herself in charge likely due to having some experience with friendship and thus knowing at least a thing or two about teamwork.

Which is bullshit. Chrysalis was a fucking queen. But with the way the cartoon treated characters like Celestia, that is at least consistent.

On 8/25/2020 at 6:19 PM, Number95 said:

By the way, has Tirek tried to absorb Grogar’s magic? It doesn’t look like an explanation was given at any point, but I’ll assume that Grogar weakened Tirek after pulling him from Tartarus. Or Grogar is powerful enough to rebuff any of Tirek’s advances.

A line or two of dialogue with Tirek admitting he wouldn't dare would've been great.

On 8/25/2020 at 6:19 PM, Number95 said:

Cozy Glow attempts to encourage teamwork and bring them all together through a villain song. I’m always up for a villain song, especially one that is fun and sinister. Too bad that doesn’t help my opinion of the show. Anyways, things don’t go well at first as Tirek and Chrysalis intentionally screw over the other during some trust exercises. The villains seem to be in agreement at some point in the song, but they don’t take long to fall apart afterward, and it’s quite notable in the case of Cozy Glow as she insists on being the boss.

But... But... The show isn't about the villains... Wait.

On 8/25/2020 at 6:19 PM, Number95 said:

Chrysalis even claims that she almost conquered Equestria “several times”, but that only happened at the end of season 2. You could argue that capturing the important figures of Equestria at the end of season 6 could count, but she didn’t attempt any conquest that time unlike season 2.

Don't let the cartoon insane logic bulshit you. Everything in that world would be on Chrysalis' face because they kinda like the sun and the ones that keep saving the world from doom. It's that stupid thing I always bring up. Why didn't the griffons do anything about Nightmare Moon, for example? Equestria should be the safest place in the world because the entire world would want it to be fine since they depend on them for the sun. But then, this is the same cartoon that had living trees without the sun and the Mane Six perfectly fine with Nightmare Moon banishing Celestia.

I'm never touching anything these dumbasses write ever again.

On 8/25/2020 at 6:19 PM, Number95 said:

Not that there’s a reason for the task to be easy in the first place unless the security was handled by the alicorn sisters. If the alicorn sisters handled the security around the Bewitching Bell, the villains would simply walk up to the bell, steal it, and then after a long period of time be surprised to learn that the place was supposed to have security after Celestia or Luna confronts them about this. How about this instead? Let’s say Celestia did set up a bunch of traps and various kinds of securities around the bell. And the traps did go off, but Celestia’s luck is about as good as Wile E. Coyote’s, so the traps immediately collapse upon trigger and even destroy each other, leaving the villains dumbfounded about the awful security and leaving them unopposed. Bonus points if pieces of the trap(s) flew off the mountain and later strike Celestia.

Only if their incompetence was intentional. Or mean spirited from the part of the writers. And just plain retarded for reasons that really don't need to be discussed anymore.

 

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On 8/30/2020 at 8:52 AM, Metemponychosis said:

Actually, if you deposed a ruler, especially one that inherited the title or had this subjective sense of 'blueblood', they would still retain that title to everyone, including the ones who deposed them. That is why regicide was a thing and such figures were typically put under arrest or banished rather than killed.

Hm, I didn't know that.

On 8/30/2020 at 8:52 AM, Metemponychosis said:

I loathe the fact that it was Discord all along and that he just lost control. Just saying. It ruined everything that came out of the story other than the nice touches of characterizations and interactions, which were really the only thing the cartoon was good at MOST of the time.

I didn't know that Discord was posing as Grogar, and it seems that Grogar himself hasn't made an official appearance in the show. I don't mind spoilers though, and that is especially the case with this show.

On 8/30/2020 at 8:52 AM, Metemponychosis said:

Which is bullshit. Chrysalis was a fucking queen. But with the way the cartoon treated characters like Celestia, that is at least consistent.

Tying with the comment earlier about Chrysalis still thinking of herself as queen, it's worth noting that she didn't even try to give orders to Tirek or Cozy Glow. At the very least, Cozy Glow can be given some credit for trying to take charge.

On 8/30/2020 at 8:52 AM, Metemponychosis said:

A line or two of dialogue with Tirek admitting he wouldn't dare would've been great.

Yes, a line or two would've been nice, but I've decided to be generous and just let that slide. The show has much bigger problems to me.

On 8/30/2020 at 8:52 AM, Metemponychosis said:

Don't let the cartoon insane logic bulshit you. Everything in that world would be on Chrysalis' face because they kinda like the sun and the ones that keep saving the world from doom. It's that stupid thing I always bring up. Why didn't the griffons do anything about Nightmare Moon, for example? Equestria should be the safest place in the world because the entire world would want it to be fine since they depend on them for the sun. But then, this is the same cartoon that had living trees without the sun and the Mane Six perfectly fine with Nightmare Moon banishing Celestia.

I'm never touching anything these dumbasses write ever again.

Celestia and Luna being able to control celestial bodies should have major impacts on other species and countries. Ponies were also already able to do just that without the alicorns, and that in a way would make the ponies the most important species on the planet. Perhaps these abilities should never have existed in the show due to the various implications they carry, and that's why I wonder what Lauren Faust had in mind with Celestia and Luna.

And trying to make sense of "The Cutie Re-mark" is a waste of time and effort.

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A Hearth’s Warming Tail

 

I originally had no interest in talking about any episode outside of certain ones from season 9, but since it’s December as of this writing, I felt like talking about one Christmas episode of the show. However, I don’t see myself talking about any other Christmas episode in the show, especially ones that are in seasons 7-9. So, why did I pick this episode? A Christmas Carol has plenty of adaptations, and I have no idea how many people have read the actual book. I did at one point, but that was too long ago, so I wouldn’t be able to say how closely a direct adaptation stuck to the book. Since the book has been adapted so many times, the general idea of the storyline is pretty well-known with a greedy and selfish asshole looking at himself and others and then changing his ways especially after seeing the effect his attitude, personality, and actions have on other people. Of course, how well that description fits the actual book is a different topic, so I’m probably just describing a number of adaptations instead. As for the episode, I’m only gonna judge it based on its own creative choices. After all, a standalone story like this (and this also includes adaptations) should be able to work on its own and not need the original source material for evaluation. If one were to care so much about the book only, they can always find the book somewhere else and read it. Also, the show already did an episode with a similar overall plot in season 4 with “For Whom the Sweetie Belle Toils”, but I’m not concerned about that right now, and I also barely remember it. I wonder if I should take a look at that episode at some point.

 

The episode starts, appropriately enough, with a Christmas-themed song being sung by various ponies as they happily and excitedly decorate Ponyville and Twilight’s castle for Hearth’s Warming (Eve). At least the show has never been truly bad with the songs, or maybe I’m just too easygoing in that regard. Normally, people would decorate for Christmas before December, but these ponies are literally putting up holiday decorations at the last hour. How long do they plan to keep the decorations around for? Until Hearts and Hooves Day? Otherwise, taking down the decorations even before the next month (were the ponies ever said to have celebrated New Years?) would be quite the waste of time and effort.

 

Twilight is eager to celebrate her first Hearth’s Warming (Eve) with Starlight, but Starlight doesn’t reciprocate to Twilight and Spike’s horror. Too bad this is season 6, which means this came off the heels of the wretched season 5 finale where Starlight didn’t earn her place among the main cast, so there’s never going to be any sense of excitement from me about the idea. Then again, the show fucked itself up so bad it’s not like I could ever truly accept Starlight’s new and reformed position. Isn’t it a shame for the creative team to waste so much hard work on something ultimately so worthless? The same could be said for Princess Celestia. The show gets a lot of competent voice actresses, and they’re given this to work with.

 

Starlight isn’t interested in the holiday because other ponies don’t celebrate it in remembrance of the origin behind it and only care about presents (insert some random comment here about commercialism and capitalism) and singing. If she really is dissatisfied with how others celebrate Hearth’s Warming (Eve), she doesn’t need to follow them. Okay, she already doesn’t, but she could celebrate the holiday in her own way such as celebrating the unity between different pony races and putting up decorations in remembrance of that. Then again, considering her confusing and/or nonsensical beliefs back in season 5, it’s not like Starlight celebrating the holiday for that reason would make any sense. She also said that the holiday is just an excuse for partying, singing, and other “silly” things. And why is that bad exactly? It’s not like the other ponies are only using their time just to do only those “silly” things. Bottom line: I don’t understand how exactly she feels about Hearth’s Warming (Eve) or why she feels that way. It would’ve been simpler for her to be disinterested because it just feels like another day to her, so she doesn’t see much of a point in having a party at this specific time when that can be done anytime.

 

Twilight tries to convince her of the holiday’s importance by reading to her A Hearth’s Warming Tale. We are introduced to that story’s version of Ebenezer Scrooge, Snowfall Frost who is played by Starlight (and even using Starlight’s old hairstyle). Unsurprisingly, the episode will have familiar characters playing these other fictional characters, and I won’t be commenting on any cameos. One could say this is how Starlight is imagining the story as it is told to her, which makes sense, but the bigger reason is that reusing the same character models and keeping the same voice actors and actresses are also easier on the show’s budget. The creative team could also save more money by not drawing and animating Princess Celestia so they also wouldn’t have to waste more money on her voice actress.

 

Snowfall was dedicated to her studies in magic not unlike Twilight at the start of the show, but Twilight’s dedication wasn’t nearly as extreme. Twilight goes on a tangent about Snowfall being almost as dedicated to studying magic as Star Swirl by praising the latter for a while. Too bad he was given terrible students. Snowfall was working on an alchemical spell and is irritated by the noise made by other ponies celebrating the holiday. She calls for her assistant Snowdash, whose name would indicate a connection to RD, and the latter tries to convince the former of the importance of remembering the point of the holiday. Snowfall doesn’t think that indulging oneself in myths is a worthy endeavor and would rather focus on the real world. She accidentally dismisses Snowdash and becomes more bitter about the holiday since Snowdash also seemed to care more about myths than the real world. As a result, Snowfall decides to cast a spell that will cause everyone to forget about the holiday all while singing a villain song. Her song even mentioned making a year shorter by one day even though that’s not how a year is defined, but whatever. If Princess Celestia was around while such a spell was cast, she would also forget literally everything including how to breathe. Also, if Snowfall was powerful enough to influence the memory of literally every pony with just a spell and her own magic, she probably could also have easily taken control of Equestria, especially since Celestia has shown no ability to fend off any kind of threat. Hell, Snowfall could just walk in, and Celestia would immediately collapse from fright after seeing her. So, one better hope that Princess Celestia doesn’t exist in that fictional Equestria.

 

Starlight mocks Starfall’s rather ridiculous approach for dealing with Hearth’s Warming (Eve), which is met with Spike also mocking Starlight’s “equality” village. It would have been more appropriate to mock that Starlight became a villain in the first place because her friend seemingly left her after he got his cutie mark. And none of this stops “The Cutie Re-Mark” from being complete and utter ass.

 

Anyways, Snowfall tries to cast her spell until AJ as the Spirit of Hearth’s Warming Past appears from Snowfall’s cauldron. Snowfall is surprised at seeing the spirit as no spirit-summoning spell was casted. Does such a spell exist in the “real” world of Equestria? There’s no way in hell the alicorn sisters would ever be allowed to try or even succeed in casting such a spell. If Celestia happened to succeed at that, she’d summon a spirit who would get pissed off at being summoned at such an inconvenient time, and then that spirit would drag her to Hell. The writers like Luna a little better, so nothing would simply happen in her case. It’s also pretty telling that Celestia didn’t get to appear in this episode as some “powerful” spirit while Luna did.

 

AJ as the Spirit of the Past states that a number of otherworldly forces have also noticed Snowfall’s actions and want her to reconsider. If the spirits were so powerful, they probably could’ve just stopped Snowfall then and there, but this wouldn’t be like A Christmas Carol if that happened. Maybe the spirits also believe in choices and free will. The Spirit takes Snowfall (with a lasso even) to see the latter’s own past, and Snowfall was unsurprisingly more cheerful and willing to celebrate Hearth’s Warming (Eve) as a filly. She goes to her classroom to decorate, and she’s also the only student to ever attend the class. Maybe she was actually being tutored. The tutor isn’t happy to see Snowfall decorating because he feels that it’s a waste of time and magic. I don’t know how some minor decorating would be so wasteful as such a task isn’t exhausting or demanding especially with magic to conveniently hang the decorations, but whatever. It’d make a little more sense if young Starfall was wasting too much time and magic for the sake of celebrating, but that wasn’t the case. However, I’d like to think that practicing magic through celebrating is also possible, but the tutor is just too strict and hard-nosed to be concerned about the holiday. Obviously, Starfall adopted her beliefs and views of Hearth’s Warming (Eve) from her tutor. I don’t remember how the original book went (the summary on Wikipedia isn’t enough, and I’m too lazy to reread the book), but I don’t remember Scrooge directly hating Christmas in at least in some adaptations I’ve seen. Mickey’s Christmas Carol, The Muppet Christmas Carol, and Disney’s A Christmas Carol from 2009 both had Scrooge being poor as a child and later breaking out of poverty after starting a business with Jacob Marley (whose counterpart doesn’t appear in the episode) which eventually caused Scrooge to care more about money than anything else. Actually, I don’t even think those adaptations even had Scrooge actively hating Christmas, or at least he didn’t explicitly say as such. There was one line in The Muppet Christmas Carol where he actually said that he hated Christmas, but that was it. He was otherwise just or mostly indifferent to the holiday, and he was too cold to care about anyone else’s state until he got a look at some of them. Of course, this may be different in the book, so I’m thus going on a pointless tangent.

 

As for the episode, that moment causes young Starfall to disregard the holiday and her friends completely and focus on her studies while feeling heartbroken about doing so. Starfall even sings about “some hurts never going away”, which becomes unintentionally stupid when considering Starlight’s past. Present Starfall remembers all of her previous happiness and sadness throughout this journey, and she as well as AJ the Spirit leave this memory.

 

Starfall wakes up in front of her cauldron only to encounter the Pinkie as the Spirit of Hearth’s Warming Presents. And the plural matters as the spirit is also all about giving presents. Pinkie is the rather obvious choice to play this spirit, not that I’m complaining because I wouldn’t want to miss this pun. Starfall thinks that presents, as in physical items, aren’t worth spending time or money on. Insert random comment here about materialism. However, Pinkie as the Spirit counters that the item isn’t the point; it’s the gesture behind the item that matters. And she sings a song about what the ponies in the present are doing and why. Essentially, she’s singing about the importance of how the ponies use their time in the present to help each other, especially in regards to quality time, and the effects that the choices and actions of one pony can have on another. The duo overlooks a party that Snowdash and her friends are attending, and Snowdash is rather unhappy about Snowfall’s perspective of the holiday, which is that working hard, learning, and using one’s skills to help Equestria are better uses of time and energy. This is met with some pretty heavy disapproval from other ponies as they feel that they are already doing as Snowfall says as they’re raising each other’s spirits by celebrating the holiday and spending quality time together. As the saying goes, all work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. However, someone like Snowfall (and her tutor) will usually assume that some amount of playing means that one isn’t interested in working at all.

 

Pinkie as the Spirit of Hearth’s Warming Presents suddenly leaves Snowfall right outside the party, and now comes the Princess Luna as the very tall Spirit of Hearth’s Warming Yet to Come. I’d make a comment about the writers blatantly preferring Luna over Celestia, which is one thing, but I also still want to point out that even so, the writers were never even that productive with Luna. It’s just that they didn’t fuck up with handling Luna nearly as much as they did with Celestia. Then again, Luna does share her voice actress with Rarity, a main character, so including Luna in an episode can be cheaper than including Celestia. Still, this just points back to my earlier comment about the show saving money if it just excluded Celestia completely, so I don’t know why the creative team behind the show would only want to use their money wisely sometimes.

 

Luna as the spirit shows the future of Equestria if everyone was to forget about and not celebrate Hearth’s Warming (Eve), which is that with no one getting together to raise each other’s spirits, the Windigos will reappear and cover Equestria in an eternal blizzard. There’s no way Celestia would ever be able to handle the Windigos. In the typical Equestrian threat episode, she would be among the first to freeze either from the Windigos or the storm. Something that I find weird is that even if everyone forgot about the holiday, that doesn’t mean they’ll always be randomly unhappy during that time of the year instead. After all, getting together to spend quality time and raise each other’s spirits can be done anytime and not just at one point. Then again, I don’t know what life would be like if one holiday was removed from the calendar. The episode that first featured the creatures, “Hearth’s Warming Eve”, did say that the Windigos are winter spirits that feed on negative emotions. Maybe the ponies have to try harder at invoking positive emotions during the winter to make sure the Windigos stay away.

 

This part is undoubtedly where the episode deviates the most from A Christmas Carol, at least in the more direct adaptations, where Scrooge sees himself dead in the future, but his death wasn’t the point. It’s that he’s dead, and others are either indifferent or even happy about his death. Seeing this as well as the effects of his negativity on other people’s lives encourages him to change his general attitude. In this episode, Snowfall sees that Hearth’s Warming (Eve) must be preserved so the Windigos can be kept at bay. The spirits could probably have been more direct and shown this in the beginning to discourage Snowfall from erasing Hearth’s Warming (Eve) as well as the Windigos and their power being real, but the episode would be too short, and it wouldn’t adapt A Christmas Carol that much. And maybe the other spirits needed to convince her that the holiday worth plenty to others, so that doesn’t really give her the right to just take away something that’s so valuable to too many others.

 

Snowfall finds herself back at her home or workplace, and she decides to celebrate the holiday along with other ponies to ensure that the Windigos are kept away and to make herself and others happy by spending some time with them. She goes to the party that the other ponies are at, who are all too ready to welcome her, and gives away some gifts in the meantime. And they all lived happily ever after.

 

Twilight puts the book away and still invites Starlight to join the festivities, and Starlight does join as she has also learned to enjoy the present as well as the presence of her “friends”.

 

I’ll keep my comments about the main cast short as whatever they did were just excuses to tell some variation of A Christmas Carol. Starlight’s stated reason for not being interested in the holiday doesn’t make that much sense if you think about it, and it would have been simpler to just say that it’s another day for her, so she wouldn’t feel the need to participate. At least Twilight was receptive of an opposing position as she didn’t force Starlight to join toward the end of the episode. Even though this was an attempt to bring Twilight and Starlight closer as the latter just joined the main cast by the time this episode happened, Starlight’s reformation was always problematic, and this episode does nothing to rectify that problem and even ignores it. As a result, there isn’t much of a positive feeling that was supposed to emanate from the episode. I do want to point out that this is really more of a flaw of the show than the episode.

 

As for this episode’s take on a well-known book, it was fine enough. It still manages to keep the major points of the book (or at least the adaptations) intact while making its own points. Snowfall’s negativity alienated other ponies, and even though Snowfall may be a rather negative pony, she is still capable of feeling and can feel happiness and sadness for herself or for others. She started off not caring too much about how other ponies felt until she saw them in action herself, and then she realizes the positivity that she has denied herself. She can have all the magic in the world, but magic can’t conjure happiness. And there needs to be plenty of festivities during the winter or else the Windigos will attack. Since Snowfall isn’t exactly a bad pony (at least not too much), she wouldn’t want to doom Equestria just for her own selfish desire. That’s a rather hokey way of trying to convey the importance of spending quality time with others and spreading joy, but at least it makes sense in-universe.

 

What’s even more hokey is Snowfall’s backstory. Personally, I’m not big on hatred origins that happen because some terrible event happened on a specific day, therefore that person must always spend so much time and energy hating that specific day or something related to the event. You can already see that the premise already sounds ridiculous just by reading it, and it’s ridiculous because that’s too much of a jump to make without further exploration (not unlike Starlight’s origin, but that’s a different topic). In the case of this episode, Snowfall’s tutor refusing to let her decorate for Hearth’s Warming (Eve) simply led to her hating it. She could also hate that other ponies were able to celebrate and have happier lives during their younger years, but that’s also a different topic and not exactly a theme that was present in A Christmas Carol. Being indifferent would make more sense as she wouldn’t have spent the time to recognize the holiday. At least this is somewhat mitigated with her feeling happy at seeing other ponies enjoying themselves.

 

I guess I could comment on the ponies chosen to play the spirits. Pinkie was obvious as the Spirit of Hearth’s Warming Presents she also likes to make friends and spend time with them, and having a party is one way to do that. AJ probably didn’t need to be the one specifically to play the Spirit of Hearth’s Warming Past since that flashback was all about how Snowfall felt and acted during her filly years and how her origin started. The Mane 6 is already composed of caring and feeling ponies, and anyone of them could identify with how this started. Since AJ is the Element of Honesty, she could be chosen to show Snowfall the truth about how her position started, so maybe AJ was the best choice among the Mane 6. Luna was the Spirit of Hearth’s Warming Future because Luna deals with nightmares, and allowing the Windigos to run rampant would be nightmarish. Out of the three segments, I like the one with Pinkie as the Spirit of Hearth’s Warming Presents the most. Aside from Pinkie fitting her title, her segment was also the one that conveyed the main message of the episode, which is the importance of spending quality time with others and how doing so can have a positive effect on oneself and others. This is best shown with the ponies at the party discussing Snowfall’s perspective using one’s own time and efforts to improve Equestria, and they already felt that they were already doing as she wanted.

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On 12/20/2020 at 12:39 PM, Number95 said:

That’s a rather hokey way of trying to convey the importance of spending quality time with others and spreading joy, but at least it makes sense in-universe.

I wanted to edit this sentence, but it looks like I can't, so I'll just have to make a new post.

 

Still, that’s a rather hokey way of trying to convey the importance of spending quality time with others and spreading joy since that means not doing so at one certain point of the year means that Equestria is doomed. It's only necessary because of some evil winter spirits. Otherwise, not having an almost mandatory get-together during the winter wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. Ponies would just figure out other ways to adapt unless there was an actual high-authority figure(s) actively making them miserable, but that would be a different story.

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I usually don't like it when cartoons, or series adapt this story. They generally miss the point of the story which actually is not about people and fighting evil, general positivity or even being good because it spreads good. It is about Ebenezer and the salvation of his soul. Now, I am a cynical asshole atheist, but I love stories about damnation vs. salvation derived from the Christian faith because they are already an analogy of the thing MLP tried to do.

 

The problem is that MLP took an intimate story about being an asshole causing a person to ruin the lives of those around him and turned it into one of its typical 'defeat evil' stories. You see, Ebenezer wasn't a random dude that had a problem with Christmas. Ebenezer was a rich person with countless employees and the power to make of break their lives on a whim. Most important, Ebenezer wasn't a hardheaded idiot in a world of cheery goodness. The original story understood something that MLP completely and cheerfully ignores: that evil is perennial and inherent to the human condition. This idea comes from the Christian mythos that Evil is a personification of the choices people make because it is easier,  because they're afraid, because they lack Faith, the trust in God, that represents making the right choice.

 

Still, Dickens was smart enough to keep these external representations of Good and Evil outside of the story, following a personal journey into one's own conscience as Ebenezer realized that he was damning himself. The Ghosts represented his own conscience showing him what he caused and it was that realization that changed him, but the additional point is that such change made the lives of all those around him better.  It is quite literally good generates good, and evil generates evil, but from within. From a perspective of 'I am the problem'.

 

In MLP, it's the fate of the world, of course, that is at stake. Not Starfall's soul. The concept doesn't even apply. This episode is MLP trying to tackle a subject too large for itself. Again. It's ironic because I also love stories about doing the right thing and beating the bad things. The moral is there, in a way, but in that dumbed down way that general positivity is good, because if not evil monsters will destroy the world. Mwa-hahahaha. MLP took a subtle and intelligent moral lesson that ADULTS need to heed and hammered into the audience's forehead a distorted version of it with the storytelling equivalent of a planetary-scale jackhammer the Vogons would've used. And what pisses me off is that A Christmas Carol is told to children in its original form! Fuck you, DHX. Makes me wonder if Disney isn't really evil for watering down the tales from the Grimms and creating this culture...

 

You see, you can't beat Evil as MLP does. You can only beat it within yourself, because there is where the battle is. It's not for the world, for morals, for ideology. It is for your own soul. But it is okay, because that is what you have to do beat it inside others too, and it is all you can do, because Evil cannot be destroyed. It will always be a threat you have to watch out for constantly.

 

Honestly, the only things that I like about this episode is that Twilight sat down with Starlight Glimmer and tutored her, the way I like to imagine Celestia would do with her if the cartoon wasn't so retarded and hadn't so utterly abused her. Also, the high-quality Luna-wank. Damn. Luna wasn't even herself and that story makes no sense in the cartoon's universe, but damn did she look and sound awesome as the Ghost of Christmas Future. And I even think that Rarity should've been the Ghost of Christmas Future with all her flamboyant and dramatic mannerisms. Luna was there simply for the Luna-wank. 

 

Want a good animated adaptation of Dickens' story? An All Dogs Christmas Carol. It is probably not the best, but it is one that came to mind because the characters could fit into MLP. One of the most faithful adaptations while remaining relevant to its own series I've ever seen. It still externalizes 'evil', but it does so in a much more elegant way because the problem isn't that the world is going to end because Carface is an evil asshole, but because the explicit choices he's making are going to ruin Christmas for a lot of people and they will, in change, perpetuate that. Not to mention that Belladonna is a representation of Evil that is both faithful to that Evil I mentioned earlier, but also entertaining to watch. By the way, Belladonna should've been a MLP villain. I just love how much of a jerk she is in 'I Always Get Emotional At Christmas Time'. She would've sung a song about salad dressing with the tears of ponies while the cat devil she works for ate Equestria for lunch.

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On 1/7/2021 at 9:35 AM, Metemponychosis said:

I usually don't like it when cartoons, or series adapt this story. They generally miss the point of the story which actually is not about people and fighting evil, general positivity or even being good because it spreads good. It is about Ebenezer and the salvation of his soul.

I'm willing to cut the episode some slack for not having the exact same main theme as the book as the episode itself was more of a retelling of the original story than an adaptation of it. I still do think that it kept some of the story's major points without tarnishing them.

On 1/7/2021 at 9:35 AM, Metemponychosis said:

In MLP, it's the fate of the world, of course, that is at stake. Not Starfall's soul. The concept doesn't even apply. This episode is MLP trying to tackle a subject too large for itself. Again. It's ironic because I also love stories about doing the right thing and beating the bad things. The moral is there, in a way, but in that dumbed down way that general positivity is good, because if not evil monsters will destroy the world. Mwa-hahahaha. MLP took a subtle and intelligent moral lesson that ADULTS need to heed and hammered into the audience's forehead a distorted version of it with the storytelling equivalent of a planetary-scale jackhammer the Vogons would've used. And what pisses me off is that A Christmas Carol is told to children in its original form! Fuck you, DHX. Makes me wonder if Disney isn't really evil for watering down the tales from the Grimms and creating this culture... 

I did say that the episode's attempt at emphasizing the importance of celebrating the holiday was hokey since not doing so somehow meant the end of the world. At least they kept the MLP lore consistent. Too bad they couldn't do the same with the alicorn sisters, but that's another subject.

On the other side of the spectrum, there is something to be said about the original story's main theme being more universal.

On 1/7/2021 at 9:35 AM, Metemponychosis said:

Honestly, the only things that I like about this episode is that Twilight sat down with Starlight Glimmer and tutored her, the way I like to imagine Celestia would do with her if the cartoon wasn't so retarded and hadn't so utterly abused her. Also, the high-quality Luna-wank. Damn. Luna wasn't even herself and that story makes no sense in the cartoon's universe, but damn did she look and sound awesome as the Ghost of Christmas Future. And I even think that Rarity should've been the Ghost of Christmas Future with all her flamboyant and dramatic mannerisms. Luna was there simply for the Luna-wank. 

Too bad Twilight sitting down with Starlight is no substitute for Celestia doing the same with Twilight, so no points for the latter concept.

I suppose Rarity could've filled the role of Spirit of the Future for the reasons you stated, though Luna wasn't all that flamboyant in the episode unless you also meant a change in presentation.

On 1/7/2021 at 9:35 AM, Metemponychosis said:

Want a good animated adaptation of Dickens' story? An All Dogs Christmas Carol. It is probably not the best, but it is one that came to mind because the characters could fit into MLP. One of the most faithful adaptations while remaining relevant to its own series I've ever seen. It still externalizes 'evil', but it does so in a much more elegant way because the problem isn't that the world is going to end because Carface is an evil asshole, but because the explicit choices he's making are going to ruin Christmas for a lot of people and they will, in change, perpetuate that. Not to mention that Belladonna is a representation of Evil that is both faithful to that Evil I mentioned earlier, but also entertaining to watch. By the way, Belladonna should've been a MLP villain. I just love how much of a jerk she is in 'I Always Get Emotional At Christmas Time'. She would've sung a song about salad dressing with the tears of ponies while the cat devil she works for ate Equestria for lunch.

I've never heard of it, and it has been too long since I've seen All Dogs Go to Heaven

Personally, my favorite adaptation/retelling of the story would be Mickey's Christmas Carol. Being short while still conveying all of the story's major points (or at least points from other adaptations) in the past, present, and future definitely gives the special a lot of points. I don't know if this point was in the original book, but I did like the Ghost of Christmas Present showing Scrooge that while Cratchit's life was far from ideal, but he and his family are still much more content with their lives than Scrooge was with his own despite the latter being so wealthy.

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On 1/19/2021 at 6:06 PM, Number95 said:

'm willing to cut the episode some slack for not having the exact same main theme as the book as the episode itself was more of a retelling of the original story than an adaptation of it. I still do think that it kept some of the story's major points without tarnishing them.

Then why make an adaptation and not tell a new story. If one is going to adapt, or retell, a story and it is going to miss the authorial intent of the original someone is just being lazy. But at least this episode is entertaining and if the original didn't exist I'd probably appreciate it more.

On 1/19/2021 at 6:06 PM, Number95 said:

At least they kept the MLP lore consistent.

I agree with the rest, but expand on this, please.

On 1/19/2021 at 6:06 PM, Number95 said:

Too bad Twilight sitting down with Starlight is no substitute for Celestia doing the same with Twilight, so no points for the latter concept.

I appreciate the effort because it feels like they at least learned something. It is obviously not a substitute, but it could be worse, I think.

On 1/19/2021 at 6:06 PM, Number95 said:

I suppose Rarity could've filled the role of Spirit of the Future for the reasons you stated, though Luna wasn't all that flamboyant in the episode unless you also meant a change in presentation.

I see what you mean. To rephrase what I said, the ghost should be dramatic and flamboyant. Not to mention that it would follow in the theme of the other ghosts being part of the Mane Six.

But, hey... I'm down for Luna-wank any day.

On 1/19/2021 at 6:06 PM, Number95 said:

Personally, my favorite adaptation/retelling of the story would be Mickey's Christmas Carol. Being short while still conveying all of the story's major points (or at least points from other adaptations) in the past, present, and future definitely gives the special a lot of points. I don't know if this point was in the original book, but I did like the Ghost of Christmas Present showing Scrooge that while Cratchit's life was far from ideal, but he and his family are still much more content with their lives than Scrooge was with his own despite the latter being so wealthy.

You came up with a better example than I did. And I may be remembering wrong, but one of the things that makes Ebenezer change was the realization that their family might deserve his fortune more than he does, precisely for that. In the sense that he was miserable all the time.

Great catch. After reading this I remembered watching this one as a child. It was really good.

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On 1/31/2021 at 8:55 PM, Metemponychosis said:

Then why make an adaptation and not tell a new story.

They wanted to tell the story of A Christmas Carol in the style of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. How well they did will vary between viewers.

On 1/31/2021 at 8:55 PM, Metemponychosis said:
On 1/19/2021 at 1:06 PM, Number95 said:

At least they kept the MLP lore consistent.

I agree with the rest, but expand on this, please.

Sorry for the poor wording. I should have said that the writers were at least consistent with a very minor portion of the vague MLP lore.

On 1/31/2021 at 8:55 PM, Metemponychosis said:

I appreciate the effort because it feels like they at least learned something. It is obviously not a substitute, but it could be worse, I think.

It actually irritates me because they obviously could have shown Celestia and Twilight doing something together if they wanted to. Why they never thought of putting any effort into that concept at any point but followed through with the equally obligatory interactions between Twilight and Starlight is beyond me.

On 1/31/2021 at 8:55 PM, Metemponychosis said:

But, hey... I'm down for Luna-wank any day.

I still don't know why they'd prioritize minor Luna-fan-pandering over an insight into her character.

On 1/31/2021 at 8:55 PM, Metemponychosis said:

You came up with a better example than I did. And I may be remembering wrong, but one of the things that makes Ebenezer change was the realization that their family might deserve his fortune more than he does, precisely for that. In the sense that he was miserable all the time.

Great catch. After reading this I remembered watching this one as a child. It was really good.

I don't remember if that was in any of the adaptations I've seen, though such a scene happening wouldn't look out of place to me since Scrooge slowly drops his hateful heart as he interacts with the ghosts.

What other adaptations of the story have you seen?

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On 2/8/2021 at 8:03 PM, Number95 said:

hey wanted to tell the story of A Christmas Carol in the style of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic. How well they did will vary between viewers.

I notice that we always argue past each other when she subject is quality x reception.

I believe that things can be executed in different ways and that makes the final productive objectively good or bad (and everything in between). And that is different from reception from individual people. For example: I agree with you that Luna deserved a better study of her character, and that is a flaw. But, I know that you believe that the spectacle is not enough to justify that flaw, while I say that I am satisfied with the final product.

Do we agree that these are two different metrics?

On 2/8/2021 at 8:03 PM, Number95 said:

Sorry for the poor wording. I should have said that the writers were at least consistent with a very minor portion of the vague MLP lore.

Ah. Got it.

On 2/8/2021 at 8:03 PM, Number95 said:

It actually irritates me because they obviously could have shown Celestia and Twilight doing something together if they wanted to. Why they never thought of putting any effort into that concept at any point but followed through with the equally obligatory interactions between Twilight and Starlight is beyond me.

Ditto.

On 2/8/2021 at 8:03 PM, Number95 said:

I still don't know why they'd prioritize minor Luna-fan-pandering over an insight into her character.

My guess is because it is easier? I don't know. I'd feel like I was doing an incomplete job. And since they said that they didn't get executive intromission into their work, I am at a loss too.

On 2/8/2021 at 8:03 PM, Number95 said:

I don't remember if that was in any of the adaptations I've seen, though such a scene happening wouldn't look out of place to me since Scrooge slowly drops his hateful heart as he interacts with the ghosts.

Technically he's supposed to rationalize away the wrongs that he did until the Ghost of Christmas Future hits him with the bombshell, and I think that this is a standard that remains in most of the adaptations I've seen.

On 2/8/2021 at 8:03 PM, Number95 said:

What other adaptations of the story have you seen?

I've seen at least one for a locally produced cartoon in my country, Brazil. And it was ok. I can remember All Dogs Christmas Carol and the one you mentioned.

I've seen a Bugs Bunny one that was rather standard with Yosemite Sam as Scrooge. There was one in ST: The Next Generation with Data as Scrooge.  I remember The Jetsons did one.

I took a look at the Wikipedia page for adaptations and basically everyone and their mothers did an adaptation. So, I suppose that MLP couldn't stay out.

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On 2/10/2021 at 2:53 PM, Metemponychosis said:

I notice that we always argue past each other when she subject is quality x reception.

I believe that things can be executed in different ways and that makes the final productive objectively good or bad (and everything in between). And that is different from reception from individual people. For example: I agree with you that Luna deserved a better study of her character, and that is a flaw. But, I know that you believe that the spectacle is not enough to justify that flaw, while I say that I am satisfied with the final product.

Do we agree that these are two different metrics?

Hopefully, my following response will sort of answer your question.

I think whether something being "objectively good or bad" might be impossible since different people will judge the same work differently, but I do agree that general reception doesn't mean everything as we can still have our own opinions about that work.

In the case of Luna, you are right about me wanting the show to do more with her, and that her "spectacles" don't compensate enough. It also doesn't help that in spite of all of that extravagance, she still doesn't serve much of a purpose in similarly extravagant episodes. To explain my dissatisfaction a bit more, I think it's a tad ridiculous that they can show Luna giving big performances, but they tease her inner aspects while failing to deliver when they do attempt to talk about those inner aspects.

Ultimately, I can accept that something can be flawed but still liked, even liked a lot or loved. Using Princess Luna as an example again, I didn't find much to like about what the show did with her.

On 2/10/2021 at 2:53 PM, Metemponychosis said:

I've seen at least one for a locally produced cartoon in my country, Brazil. And it was ok. I can remember All Dogs Christmas Carol and the one you mentioned.

I've seen a Bugs Bunny one that was rather standard with Yosemite Sam as Scrooge. There was one in ST: The Next Generation with Data as Scrooge.  I remember The Jetsons did one.

I took a look at the Wikipedia page for adaptations and basically everyone and their mothers did an adaptation. So, I suppose that MLP couldn't stay out.

I never knew that the one with Bugs Bunny and Yosemite Sam existed. I am aware of a DTV movie with Daffy Duck playing Scrooge existing, but I haven't seen it.

I haven't actually seen that many adaptations of the novel. I knew there were plenty of adaptations, but I haven't made the task of seeing them all a goal.

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