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Extreme fan reactions to SWTLJ

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I have not seen The Last Jedi yet. I keep hearing about the universal praise by critics and universal hate by fans.

I find it ridiculous that they have made and signed petitions forcing the staff to eliminate the movie from canonicity and demanding they do VIII all over again. Hilariously there's also been a counter-petition to ban the frivolous use of change.org.

What do you think of the Last Jedi?

What do you think of all the backlash?
And how likely will there be violent riots all over the US, the reason for the fans' receptions of the movie? And what would you think of the civil unrest for that reason?

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I wouldn't necessarily give credence to any online fan petitions demanding changes to things since I don't believe any of them have ever borne fruit. Could be wrong, though.

 

I saw it today and, as I'm typing this, I mostly enjoyed it. But there were glaring issues that I took... well, issue with: 

 

Rose's and Finn's wild casino adventure was a drag that halted the film's momentum. There was also very little payoff. Also, instead of getting a better Phasma portrayal than the last film, we get "Boba Fett 2.0". They totally squandered her character's potential. Lastly, I was initially completely down on the excess of Porgs during the first act when I left the cinema, but I've come to understand the critters' involvement due to some apparent 

production issues. Still, they were pretty distracting.

 

Here's also some of my favorite bits to balance out this post:

 

I loved that whole "learning from your failures" message. I also loved the handling of Snoke's origin (as he seemed to be just a powerful, force-sensitive jerk) and Rey's parentage. But I wouldn't doubt if we'll be getting some more context concerning both characters' backstories in the future, but it doesn't really matter to me at this point, since I believe I heard somewhere that the director said that Kylo Ren might believe in his information about Rey's parents, but it could still leave the door open to a more detailed reveal. Still, not everything has to be about destiny, which is why I appreciate the film's handling of these matters. Lastly, everything pertaining to Luke and Kylo Ren was golden. I loved the complexity of their relationship and their subsequent reactions towards Luke almost killing Kylo Ren felt organic. I felt it was also a fitting end to Luke's tale as well, considering how Luke rejected Rey's help and how he considered himself to be not the Jedi or man of legend others' thought of him to be. Turned out that his final act was definitely the makings of the true Luke of legend. A truly fantastic scene and sendoff for the character.

 

I haven't had a full day to digest the film yet so I'm sure there are some bits that I'm overlooking, but the aforementioned gripes aside, I felt it was solid overall.

 

At the moment, I'd give it 7 disgruntled nerds/10.

 

This backlash is silly and will probably be nonviolent. I'm sure nothing will come from it. The fan rage will die down but could possibly pick up before and/or after the Han Solo movie's release, depending on how that unnecessary film goes.

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Mark Hamill was brilliant. Good chance of being my favorite Star Wars even after the new-movie high fades. I'm not really a fan of the previous movies, even the sacrosanct Original Trilogy, but I've always liked the setting. Lightsabers are fuckin sweet dude.

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I'm not a huge fan of the series itself, which is sad considering I would like to learn more about the lore, but as such, I honestly cannot figure out why the big fans of the series are hating Episodes 7 and 8 so much. Even Mark Hamill himself hates the movie and I can't wrap my head around why.

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55 minutes ago, Toki Zensekai said:

I'm not a huge fan of the series itself, which is sad considering I would like to learn more about the lore, but as such, I honestly cannot figure out why the big fans of the series are hating Episodes 7 and 8 so much. Even Mark Hamill himself hates the movie and I can't wrap my head around why.

 

That's understandable. It could be debated that about half the Star Wars films range from average to absolute garbage, but that's a whole other discussion right there.

 

You could pick up some of the canonized books and comics if you want to get into the canonized lore.

Or, if you're feeling really adventurous, you can get into Star Wars Legends (formerly known as the Expanded Universe). It's a bunch of books and stuff that was considered canon before it was discarded from the canon in favor of The Force Awakens. It tells a very different tale after Return of the Jedi spanning years across the galaxy, from memory. I'm only aware of some secondhand information about it, though.

Otherwise, there's always Wookieepedia.

 

From the way I understood the backlash of 8,

 

fans hated how everyone seemed to constantly make mistakes and how Luke was presented as a very flawed character, which Mark Hamill himself inclined to agree with. The way I understood the film, it's whole purpose was to show that one can learn from their mistakes, which was what that weird ghost puppet Yoda spoke about to Luke. The Jedi Council failed to stop Anakin from creating The Empire and Luke essentially let Ben/Kylo Ren create The First Order. The way Yoda saw it, it was time to burn down the traditional Jedi way and start anew while also learning from their past mistakes.

 

Everyone also seems to think that Luke Skywalker is some sort of flawless Jedi Master, even though he was far from perfect in the original trilogy. Though the one aspect from 8 that seemed to get the fans' goat was how

 

Luke almost murdered Ben/Kylo Ren because he sensed the darkness within him, with fans believing that the

real Luke wouldn't do such a thing. However, he absolutely would've snuffed out the next potential Darth Vader in an effort to save the next generation of Jedi. The kicker was that he eventually resolved not to, showing how he was still filled with doubt but was still able to overcome it. Plus, he was absolutely a killer. Just how many people were on that Death Star, eh? 

 

As far as 7 goes, people generally see it as a rehash of A New Hope, which is understandable. I still enjoyed it, but I'm in no condition to go down that rabbit hole, at the moment.

 

I wouldn't doubt if some or all of this post is completely wrong, but it's past midnight here and I'm running on fumes, so take this post for what you will.

Opinions are subjective, after all, but I do hope this post helped you at least a little bit.

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I'll say it. I finally watched TLJ. Tonight. And I effing loved every minute of it.

Even every part that is universally hated by the fans.

Now that I've already spoken my opinion, I'm ready to die by being beaten at your hands. But I won't go down without a fight. And the only way you'll get the reasons why I like it out of me is if you forcefully pry my mouth open.

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6 hours ago, 8492nd said:

I'll say it. I finally watched TLJ. Tonight. And I effing loved every minute of it.

Even every part that is universally hated by the fans.

Now that I've already spoken my opinion, I'm ready to die by being beaten at your hands. But I won't go down without a fight. And the only way you'll get the reasons why I like it out of me is if you forcefully pry my mouth open.

Guys, isn't it weird that @LostSanity's exact opposite showed up just about when he left? Look at this, it's spooky. He likes something that a lot of people don't like, is really militant about it, and is fanatically committed to not talking about why.

I think we're being trolled by a master.

 

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21 hours ago, Friendship is Horses said:

Guys, isn't it weird that @LostSanity's exact opposite showed up just about when he left? Look at this, it's spooky. He likes something that a lot of people don't like, is really militant about it, and is fanatically committed to not talking about why.

I think we're being trolled by a master.

 

Go call it coincidence if you want, but he and I are NOT the same person.

I find it too tiring to make 2+ accounts in one website. And it gets confusing even for me.

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I like the film. I don't love the film. It's got a fair amount of Star Wars charm, but I think it:

1. Answers the wrong questions, which fans weren't asking after TFA. Rey's parentage is an exception to this. I think it was mostly handled well. Mostly.

2. Drags on, covering too little ground for a 150 minute movie. The film has issues with pacing.

3. Includes a couple of ridiculous plot armor sequences that are just not believable even within the Star Wars universe.

 

I'm looking forward to what JJ Abrams has to offer when he returns for Episode IX. I actually really like what he did with TFA, and how he carried the franchise without George Lucas's oversight, so I'm trying to be optimistic. Perhaps if he had been given the reins for TLJ, I might have enjoyed it more. But I understand why he might not have wanted to do two non-spinoff Star Wars movies in a row.

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I enjoyed the movie, I feel hate on the movie are too much. Don't mind them hating but asking to be ersaed from series is crazy. Thought The Force Awaken is doing well. I like BB8 so much I got all stuff BB8 and also like Porgs, some people hate them.

Whatever you made another Star Wars movie, fans either like it or hate it, it sometime hard to please people.

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On 1/2/2018 at 7:41 AM, 8492nd said:

I'll say it. I finally watched TLJ. Tonight. And I effing loved every minute of it.

Even every part that is universally hated by the fans.

You are not alone. I loved every minute of the film, as well. All of the plots and sub-plots are so suspenseful that they kept me on the edge of my seat the entire time.

 

On 12/20/2017 at 6:01 AM, 8492nd said:

What do you think of all the backlash?

In my personal opinion, most of the criticisms I heard about the film are nit-picky at best, and biased or unfounded at worst. And even among the critiques I happen to agree with, none of them have been bad enough to take away my enjoyment of the film. Most people seem to have disliked the casino scene, but hey, I'm one of those who like casino games and movies like "21", so to each their own. 

 

Don't get me wrong, I respect that many fans disliked the film. I don't care if one considers it the worst episode of the series. But I understand your sentiment; I can't stand those who say condescending stuff like, "You must be on drugs, if you liked The Last Jedi over any episode of the Original Trilogy."

 

 

21 hours ago, Prospekt said:

Drags on, covering too little ground for a 180 minute movie. The film has issues with pacing.

You watched a version of the film that's 30 minutes longer? Awwww, I wish I got to see that one. 

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On 1/14/2018 at 5:22 PM, ChB said:

You watched a version of the film that's 30 minutes longer? Awwww, I wish I got to see that one. 

Meant to say 150. :bloomgah: Better fix that. Though honestly, with how many previews there are before movies, I probably did sit in the theater for about 3 hours.

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